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marten0305 wrote: DS - start off on a Sith inhabited planet
the Sith lord as your master
a knight of the Sith
certain characters are dead

LS - start off on a Jedi or Republic inhabited planet
padawan to a Jedi master
a knight of the Republic
all characters are alive

Of course the status could all change (except for the dead characters) during the course of the game.

to the DS allignment: apprenticeship to the Sith Lord seems too big to be thrown into right at the beginning. my suggestion (as i stated in another thread) is that you start as apprentice to the Sith Master of an enclave of a sith planet (a.k.a. you're Uthar's Yuthura on Korriban)

to LS allignment: all characters alive is a maybe. if you're going back to KotOR 1 as well, then Juhani (as much as i want her dead without the dark side points) is kind of iffy. it depends on whether or not you managed to persuade her. also ties into DS by how if you went Sith Lord or Savior in 1. If you went as Sith Lord, it obviously doesn't matter, since Juhani would be dead whether you redeemed her or not. As a Savior though, it's a bit circumstantial.

long explanations to the problem, but really only 1 problem for each. overall, you've got a good idea. it's actually what i was thinking (mostly) to be honest.

IMO starting off in different alignments would add some replay value to the game and be a very nice way to start off instead of being dumped in the middle of nowhere not knowing who you are, what you are doing here etc.

I would like to see the dark sides corrupting power a bit more. In the movies/books when people fall to the dark side, they act accordingly and they are difficult to turn them back to the light side. But in KoTOR you can easily switch from DS to LS (or the other way around) without any troubles. If you're an evil sith lord, you can still act like a saint to the person that cheated you for 2000 credits instead of cutting him down without a second thought. IMO being turned back to the light side should involve either a KoTOR 1 style denunciation of the dark side or a LS oriented party member (Bastila/Carth?) redeeming you in some special event.

i for one usually pick ls bc i get way to into the game and i feel all bad if i ruthlessly kill. i think ls had alot of power tho bc it takes alot of control for ur emotions and u can be powerful if ur in contruol of yourself. i guess im more grey just bc the jedi council usually bug me

seejai wrote:i for one usually pick ls bc i get way to into the game and i feel all bad if i ruthlessly kill. i think ls had alot of power tho bc it takes alot of control for ur emotions and u can be powerful if ur in contruol of yourself. i guess im more grey just bc the jedi council usually bug me

who doesn't the council bug (especially Vrook. i have to thank Kreia for killing him the next time i see her corpse )? anyways, yeah i'm kinda with you on that, seejai: i do feel bad when i kill someone for creds or for the saek of killing them, however only because usually the others get pissed at me for doing it. in turn, i could travel alone (usually), but then it seems too lonely so hard to go darkside

seejai wrote:i for one usually pick ls bc i get way to into the game and i feel all bad if i ruthlessly kill. i think ls had alot of power tho bc it takes alot of control for ur emotions and u can be powerful if ur in contruol of yourself. i guess im more grey just bc the jedi council usually bug me

look if u dont like the evil frenzy of chaos and discorde then your a light sider and thats no problem except that u might not get as much cash as u would normally get as a sith

I think either way it dosen't matter. Remember Kreia said that Revan would need Sith and Jedi to help him fight the true sith empire in the unknown reigons. So your alignment only really effects your force powers and your friendliness with other charectars and maybe it could effect your storyline, depending on what happens I guess.

I already thought that it would be great to have a 3 disc set so you could start neutral and then depending on ur alignment go to either a light side disc and be a master of the light or take the dark side disc and become the dark lord of the sith!!!!!

Dark Side is for the weak. Plain and simple - if you're strong, you don't need the power of the DS. It's something for ppl with thugish nature or with boring lives :mischief:


BTW - what's to experience in DS? It's obvious - you wether kill all your enemies and probably get 90% of your friends and family (if you have them) killed and become the super powerful villain or die trying. You can always become the Sith Lord and get backstabbed by your apprentice. One thing is for sure if you go DS - people will get hurt because of you. That's all.

Oh I forgot - you have all those cool powers like Force Grip or Lightining that make the game unbalanced, the only real reason (except frustration and presonal issues) for someone to play DS.

The darkside is power. you know why the game is unbalanced when you have force lighning and force kill and death field? it is because the darkside fuels you and is stronger than the ways of the light.

That is, you are weak and need to be fueled, right? LS isn't about giving you power, it's about drawing out your inner strenght,teaching you how to gain power by yourself, mostly by training your skills, instead of giving you all at once. You have to work hard for real power and understand the magnitude of it, or else you won't be ready to handle the responsibility of having it. In other words, DS can be treated like a very potent combat drug - boost up your skills greatly, but it's addictive and dangerous in use. Lightside is a way of learning how to be stronger, instead of a power source. Plus, strip a Jedi and a Dark Jedi of their source of power, the Force. Who do you think will fare better in a 1 on 1 dueal? Someone who trained from age of 7 about combat and discipline, or someone who relied on something other than himself in combat?

Fierce wrote:That is, you are weak and need to be fueled, right? LS isn't about giving you power, it's about drawing out your inner strenght,teaching you how to gain power by yourself, mostly by training your skills, instead of giving you all at once. You have to work hard for real power and understand the magnitude of it, or else you won't be ready to handle the responsibility of having it. In other words, DS can be treated like a very potent combat drug - boost up your skills greatly, but it's addictive and dangerous in use. Lightside is a way of learning how to be stronger, instead of a power source. Plus, strip a Jedi and a Dark Jedi of their source of power, the Force. Who do you think will fare better in a 1 on 1 dueal? Someone who trained from age of 7 about combat and discipline, or someone who relied on something other than himself in combat?

that's deep, man. wanna write my religion and english essays for me? joking aside, i think you've made several good points. however, not every Dark Jedi/Sith uses the Force as his/her main power. so technically, if you get a Sith Marauder vs. a Jedi Consular and then strip away the Force, one would assume the Sith to win, simply because of how they trained themselves to fight. if you meant a Jedi vs. a Dark Jedi and both are of the same style (both saber or both primarily Force-users), then yes a Jedi would most likely win due to the training and discipline (as you stated yourself). it's like in Jedi Outcast (on the first Cairn level), where Luke is talking to Kyle about the Shadowtroopers. their power was simply given to them via the crystals and the kortosis armour. they didn't know how to truely use the Force, giving the Jedi a distinct advantage.

Darth Valthri wrote:that's deep, man. wanna write my religion and english essays for me? joking aside, i think you've made several good points. however, not every Dark Jedi/Sith uses the Force as his/her main power. so technically, if you get a Sith Marauder vs. a Jedi Consular and then strip away the Force, one would assume the Sith to win, simply because of how they trained themselves to fight. if you meant a Jedi vs. a Dark Jedi and both are of the same style (both saber or both primarily Force-users), then yes a Jedi would most likely win due to the training and discipline (as you stated yourself). it's like in Jedi Outcast (on the first Cairn level), where Luke is talking to Kyle about the Shadowtroopers. their power was simply given to them via the crystals and the kortosis armour. they didn't know how to truely use the Force, giving the Jedi a distinct advantage.

Man, I gotta poet's heart, you know :mischief: I guess you've made some good statements, too. What I meant, to put it bluntly (no, not like James Blunt), is that most of ppl playing DS are nerds or kids that don't get too much respect in real life. Or they simply got a bad day. Some play out of boresome or curiousity. But I simply can't understand ppl that act like "WOOOOW, IT'S SO COOL, I CAN MURDER CHILDREN AND TORTURE THEIR PARENTS. WOOOOOW". I can understand the urge for power, the need for constant testing, but for such a price? Would you really want to become a heartless bastard with no one to trust or feel for, but in trade you got a stronger Force Push?

DS is for sissies. Peace out y'all.

Fierce wrote:Man, I gotta poet's heart, you know :mischief: I guess you've made some good statements, too. What I meant, to put it bluntly (no, not like James Blunt), is that most of ppl playing DS are nerds or kids that don't get too much respect in real life. Or they simply got a bad day. Some play out of boresome or curiousity. But I simply can't understand ppl that act like "WOOOOW, IT'S SO COOL, I CAN MURDER CHILDREN AND TORTURE THEIR PARENTS. WOOOOOW". I can understand the urge for power, the need for constant testing, but for such a price? Would you really want to become a heartless bastard with no one to trust or feel for, but in trade you got a stronger Force Push?

DS is for sissies. Peace out y'all.

i shoulda sent you my poetry assignments last year then, and asked you to do 'em up for me anyways, you're right, there really is no point to DS. you kill enough enemies in violent encounters that no matter what you say or do, you have to fight (or die), that you shouldn't have to kill random people in the street. to be honest, there are some NPCs that i'd love to go DS against, but simply because they annoy me, not because i can. some of 'em would include the kids on Taris (the ones with attitude probs) and the Hutts (mostly Zax in the LC cantina on Taris). minor technicallity to your last (i'm assuming) rhetorical question, but Force Push is a universal power, therefore you could have a strong Force Push as LS. like i said, minor technicallity

Darth Valthri wrote: but Force Push is a universal power, therefore you could have a strong Force Push as LS. like i said, minor technicallity

Eh, you're right. Goddamnit.

yep. i'd say "owned", but you really weren't. that wasn't brutal enough

I think I play DS because you can be bad without getting in trouble, it is stuff you can not do in real life, so it is like being able to do anything, but not get in trouble by the cops. why would you want to play a game that would follow the law, I know it sounds weird, but I think it would be stupid if you only play ls, because it would not be a game, it would just be let's all follow the rules and meditate instead having a bad ass fight. Whatever I am not trying to start a jedi v. sith here, but I just think I am a sith in games allways and forever.

I play both sides, because it's only a game...

bigredpanda wrote:I play both sides, because it's only a game...

I concur!

bigredpanda wrote:I play both sides, because it's only a game...

i play both sides
A) because i can
B) because i will
C) because i like to see the differences in how the game plays out