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Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:24 pm**

Ripe wrote:Nice one Zysch, but while Larloch is great power within realms due to those liches he got under his command I don't think he'd made it to top 5 of most powerfull wizards in the realm [despite being 32nd level wizard] if considered alone. Those liches, vampires and other undead under his command increase his power base, not individal power. Oh, and Larloch don't have complete spell imunity, his spell imunity is similar to the one possesed by Chosen of Mystra.

As for wizards more powerfull that Larloch [those who will beat him in one-on-one duel] there are:
Telamont Tanthul - ruler of City of Shade and 35th level Wizard
Oysar Shoon VII - formerly 36th level Wizard and demi-lich, currenly living inside a body of a young elven maiden (who herself was 3rd level Wizard and demi-lich [don't ask, it's a long story]) and who still have access to all of his previous knowledge
Currently unnamed members of Twisted Rune [their levels and powers are unknown but since Shoon think he's still not powerfull enough to fight them...]
Queen Amlauril of Evermeet - she's was somewhere between 25th and 30th level wizard before dying, but since then she was resurected by direct intervention from Correlon Larethian and made into Chosen of the Seldarine [the entire elven pantheon, as opposed to being Chosen of a single deity like Elminster, Cadderly or Fzoul Chembryl are] so her current power level can only be guessed.
Shrinshee - moon elven wizard, formerly baelnorn restored to life [and youth] by Mystra and then made Chosen [of Mystra] who was 30th level when Myth Drannor fell. It's believed that she spend a lot of time since in Arvandor, keeping guard over Crownblade.

But all of those guys can hide in fear from one that can take them all [probably even at the same time]: the so-called "Father of Netheril" - Iolaum

Iolaum was oldest and most powerfull Wizard even during the time of Netheril [not suprising considering he's at least 1.000 years older than all others mentioned before, and that he was 300 years older then Netheril itself] and has since fall of Netheril survived as a Elder brain [as the ones that are at the center of each Illithid community] Lich with 41 wizard levels.
It is also believed that Iolaum was responsible for creation of first Alhoon [Illithid lich] from his Illithid students (he used arcane ritual to fuse brains of those students into a elder brain that he than took full control of, destroying their individual wills in the process).
Today he is known as Oracle of Ellyn'taal [and is not suspected to be Iolaum], and the few who ventured into his halls gained pieces of arcane knowledge dating back to formation of Netheril, but at a terible price - voluntary loosing pieces of aplicants sanity [represented with permanent loss of 1d4 points of Wisdom] or piece of arcane knowledge possesd by aplicant [complete permanent loss of a epic spell known by caster]

Among honorable mention category should be listed:
Lady Saharel, another survivor of Netheril, formerly 30th level wizard who after ToT survives as CG ghost [and who is deply inlove with Elminster]
Tabra, last human apprentice of Iolaum who was 23rd level wizard at the time her master become elder brain some 1.500 years ago, and who is still alive today (possibly the only survivor of Netheril still living who is not a Lich, Shade or some other form of undead) due to repeated uses of Iolaum's longevity spell.

Ehh... where did you get your information on Larloch? Last I heard was he's a level 46 Demi-Lich. I think Wizard 36/Archmage 5/Netherese Arcanist 5, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:32 pm**

Lords of Darkness Page 161 says he's Wizard 20/Epic 12, and this is the only book he has stats in.

Unfortunately, this is 3rd edition, so I don't remember if Epic applies to something other than wizard as his hit dice are listed as 20D12.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:41 pm**

Siberys wrote:Lords of Darkness Page 161 says he's Wizard 20/Epic 12, and this is the only book he has stats in.

Unfortunately, this is 3rd edition, so I don't remember if Epic applies to something other than wizard as his hit dice are listed as 20D12.

While this may be true, Ed Greenwood made a comment on Larloch, which I will now post a link to:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?T ... hichpage=2

The Sage's 3rd comment down.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:26 pm**

Unfortunately, that's a forum, and Lords of Darkness is an official supplement which thus applies to the logic of this thread "Who is the most powerful mage in forgotten realms."

Otherwise, I'd just create a 100th level sorcerer and say he's from Sembia or The Great Dale or something.

Posted: **Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:32 pm**

Well I'm just saying, the creator of Forgotten Realms says Larloch is 46th level.

And even if Larloch is only 32nd level, there's always Daurgothoth: Wizard 20/Archmage 5 Black Dragon Great Wyrm Dracolich. There's some raw power.

Posted: **Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:34 pm**

Bigby steps in from Greyhawk and takes them all down with his little known but powerful "Bigby's Low-Blow" spell.

I don't know how they rank in 3rd+ edition but is there stats in the latest editions for Raistlin?

Posted: **Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:06 am**

The most powerful if you allow alive or dead ppl from realms history are:

1. Kharsus.
2. Larloch.
3. Ioulaum.
4. Amlaruil Moonflower.

I suppose you could switch around number 2-4 depending on your preferance but kharsus is always gonna be number 1.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:08 pm**

Kharsus-Unkown dead god? (believe hes neither living nor actually dead/undead)
Telamont Tanthul-Shade, Demi God
Larloch-Lich
Ioulaum-Elder Brain Lich
Ghiz'kith-Sarrukh lich, 1 of the 4 founding races
Amlaruil-Chozen of the Seldarine
Lord Shoon VII-Imaskari Demi Lich
Szass Tam-Lich

The list could go on for a while. Out of em all tho id say Ghiz'kith would be the worst to reckon with imo since hes without a doubt the oldest of em all.
As for Raistlin if he were to convert to FR settings he wouldn't have much power till he learned FR's Magic and even then he wouldnt be nearly as powerful as the aforementioned, tho in DL hes cream of the crop.

Posted: **Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:28 pm**

Raistlin's true strength is his intellect. Very shrewd and calculating he was. If I remember correctly he beat Fistandantilus by outsmarting him rather than straight out power.

Posted: **Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:15 am**

Pellinore wrote:Raistlin's true strength is his intellect. Very shrewd and calculating he was. If I remember correctly he beat Fistandantilus by outsmarting him rather than straight out power.

He outsmarted fisty to gain the knowledge of how to use the bloodstone pendant but after he heard the spell spoken and memorised it they literally did a toe to toe spell battle and almost destroyed fistys home in doing so....a home that survived the impact of the fiery mountain during the cataclysm (as tas survived by being in it if you remember).

There is no caster past or present in the realms that could defeat raislin at the height of his power due to him having the combined power of himself and fisty combined as fisty was 2000+ year old wiz who had spent most of that time training to defeat a god that was the head of her pantheon and raistlin beat him AND added his power on top of his own.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:40 pm**

Ok Fist was a 2000+ year old lich. Yawn...Larloch is a Netherese lich which is which controls how many different liches, demiliches and hes not even the most powerful lich. I mean in the long run just because Raistlin took fist's power isnt that big of a deal in grand scheme of things. Karsus's took the power of a god (if only briefly). Of course Raistlin took all the gods of Krynn out but only because of a loophole. Speaking of which that wouldnt make much sense since you would think if anything all the gods of good and neutrality if not evil as well would stop him. Of course theres no mention of a overgod stepping in to stop him either which is the whole purpose of the overgods. Raistlin is a very cool character and dont get me wrong i love him and DL and in no way shape or form considering him weak. So despite all ive said ill say Raistlin is would be in the top 10 all time D&D most powerful mages alive. That should appease some people lol.

Posted: **Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:44 am**

ImaskariAncient wrote: I mean in the long run just because Raistlin took fist's power isnt that big of a deal in grand scheme of things.

A archmage that was already one of if not the most powerful mages on krynn then took the power and knowledge of a archmage that had been training and preparing to fight the head of the evil pantheon of gods for over 2000 years is not a big deal?????????????....

ImaskariAncient wrote:Of course Raistlin took all the gods of Krynn out but only because of a loophole.

The loophole was one of fate not one of a lack of magical ability or power.

ImaskariAncient wrote:Of course theres no mention of a overgod stepping in to stop him either which is the whole purpose of the overgods.

Even overgods have to allow mortals free will.

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