Assassin/Stealth Class!

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:35 am

Ares2382 wrote:Highlight here.

Spoiler
You can talk to Jauffre, and then just stop there with the main quests, the gates won't open. Continue to Kvatch only once you're ready.
I don't actually use horses very often. And that's because I either run to my destination (thus training Athletics) or jump all the way to my destination (thus training Acrobatics). But I do fast travel whenever it's available.

Also, it really doesn't matter too much about Acrobatics. If you don't mind jumping a lot it's easy to raise. I usually don't take it, but I do raise it up as quickly as possible, for the reasons already mentioned in one of the above replies. I'd take Armorer, which is not so easy to train, because it really sucks when your enchanted weapons break down in the middle of the dungeon and you can't repair it because your skill is too low. Another option is Restoration, being able to heal yourself without relying on potions and more importantly being able to heal decease and restore attributes without having to go to a shrine is also useful.

Highlight

Spoiler

Ah so I can talk to Jauffre get the next part of the main quest from him and the gates wont start appearing until I reach kvatch?

Ah ye I could see why you would just run and jump everywhere to train them

I think I'll take Armorer since as you said its not easy to train and it sucks when enchanted weapons break down

Thanks m8!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:17 pm

I agree. Armourer.

Also, personally I never put an armour skill in Major. Even if you don't soon start using enchanted clothing - when it becomes a waste of space as a major - armour goes up fast enough not to need it as a major.
Also Illusion is a pretty dangerous major - it makes you level up too fast if you use it a lot.: and it only adds points to your personality at level-up. Your choice, of course - just warning you of the danger!

I would use Security instead of Illusion - it ups your Agility and is a very useful skill.

Decisions, decisions! :laugh:

Oh, and congrats on learning how to hide text.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:53 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:I agree. Armourer. Also, personally I never put an armour skill in Major. Even if you don't soon start using enchanted clothing - when it becomes a waste of space as a major - armour goes up fast enough not to need it as a major.
Also Illusion is a pretty dangerous major - it makes you level up too fast if you use it a lot.: and it only adds points to your personality at level-up. Your choice, of course - just warning you of the danger!
I would use Security instead of Illusion - it ups your Agility and is a very useful skill.

Decisions, decisions! :laugh:

Oh, and congrats on learning how to hide text.

Are you sure armour goes up fast enough to not have it as a major?

Also what sort of enchants can you do on clothing?

I do seem to use Illusion alot, but isn't it needed as a assassin? Most of the spells seem very useful for 1

If I wasn't to take illusion as a major, will I still be able to do all the same spells as a character with a major in illusion? What are the pros and cons of taking it as a major and not having it as a major?

I like the fact Security levels up my agility but Illusion seems so much more..useful?

Decisions, decisions! :laugh: as you would say hehe

Thanks <3

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:38 pm

I already mentioned why I don't take Security, now you being new to the game, might not do that certain quest that gets you that one item, that makes Security entirely worthless.... also you have Alteration, which has open lock spells which also makes Security worthless.

So in summary... Security is really worthless.

I'll be honest I don't remember how fast Illusion level up in vanilla (unmoded) Oblivion. Nowdays, I play with mods and one of them increases duration on all spells, so I end up casting them less and thus my magick skills level up slower.

As for Light Armor in your major, really I don't see it as an issue. You're playing a steath character, so you shouldn't be getting hit a lot. But then again if you plan to not wear armor as Flj suggested, you don't need to have armor skill at all.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:15 pm

Nathxoxo wrote: Are you sure armour goes up fast enough to not have it as a major? Also what sort of enchants can you do on clothing?

Well, all I can say is that I've never had a problem with armour not being a major skill, and stopped putting it in major after my very first game!

Almost any spell you can cast can be used to enchant your clothing or armour. Destructions spells you can cast can be used to enchant weapons.

Most useful clothing /armour enchantments are Shield spells of one sort or another. Plain 'Shield', Fire Shield, Shock Shield, Frost Shield. The advantage of them is that you not only get shielding from spells but you get the same amount of normal shield as well. Suppose you have Fire Shield at 25, it also gives you Shield of 25. Which is nice. You can get Resistance to Fire, etc, as well, but they don't give you the Shield effect.
Other useful effects can add to your Magica, make you almost invisible (Chameleon), able to Detect Life, Absorb Magica...

Nathxoxo wrote:I do seem to use Illusion alot, but isn't it needed as a assassin? Most of the spells seem very useful for 1 If I wasn't to take illusion as a major, will I still be able to do all the same spells as a character with a major in illusion? What are the pros and cons of taking it as a major and not having it as a major?

The major con is that it will level up too fast, before you are actually ready to face the enemies for the new level.
Illusion IS useful! But you can easily and swiftly level it up by casting Starlight over and over. In a surprisingly short time it is up to the level it would be if you had put it as a major. So, in a short space of time you will be able to buy not just Novice spells, but Apprentice and even Journeyman. Takes time to get Master spells, but your Bosmer probably won't have enough magica to cast Master spells anyway.

After all, he's an Assassin, not a Mage.

Nathxoxo wrote:I like the fact Security levels up my agility but Illusion seems so much more..useful?

Decisions, decisions! :laugh: as you would say hehe

Thanks <3

You could try it out both ways and see which works best for you.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:23 pm

Ares2382 wrote:
So in summary... Security is really worthless.

I don't agree.

If you use a spell to unlock stuff when enemies are close by you stand an excellent chance of being spotted, and a fair chance of being spotted even if using Chameleon; if you use Security you will most likely not be noticed even without Chameleon. I like my Stealth characters not to be noticed...

I like al my character classes not to be noticed, actually! :laugh:

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:28 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:I don't agree. If you use a spell to unlock stuff when enemies are close by you stand an excellent chance of being spotted, and a fair chance of being spotted even if using Chameleon; if you use Security you will most likely not be noticed even without Chameleon. I like my Stealth characters not to be noticed...
I like al my character classes not to be noticed, actually! :laugh:

Then use the certain item you get from a certain quest, and you'll never need security skill for anything.

In case you've never heard of it....
Spoiler Below

Spoiler

It's the Skeleton Key you get for completing Nocturnal's quest

Problem solved

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:51 pm

Ares2382 wrote:Then use the certain item you get from a certain quest, and you'll never need security skill for anything.

In case you've never heard of it....
Spoiler Below
Spoiler
It's the Skeleton Key you get for completing Nocturnal's quest
Problem solved

Amazingly enough, considering the number of times I've played the game, I've never done that quest!

In fact, I've only ever done 3 of the Daedric quests!
Maybe I should do 'em this time round!

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:03 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Amazingly enough, considering the number of times I've played the game, I've never done that quest! In fact, I've only ever done 3 of the Daedric quests!
Maybe I should do 'em this time round!

Haha, I haven't done all of them either, but that one is by FAR the most useful. And you only need to be level 10 to do it. After that you'll never worry about Security.... EVER.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:13 pm

Ares2382 wrote:Haha, I haven't done all of them either, but that one is by FAR the most useful. And you only need to be level 10 to do it. After that you'll never worry about Security.... EVER.

I can see that! :laugh: My current girl is only lvl 3, so I'll have to wait a bit...

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:19 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:I can see that! :laugh: My current girl is only lvl 3, so I'll have to wait a bit...

Yey, I have a convert

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:11 pm

Hi guys 8)

So I started my charater again

Race - Male Bosmer
Class - Custom Class Assassin (Original I know

)
Attributes - Agility and Luck
Birthsign - The Thief
Major Skills - Aliteration, Armorer, Blade, Illusion, Light Armor, Marksman and Sneak.

I went and got that free horse from priory and the goodies in the chest, so no more jail gear for me hehe!. Then I went on to explore around Leyawiin and found a dungeon to do, was fun

Think Im gunna look for some side quests to do next or join the mage guild as recommended

Liking my character much more this time round, I have a greater understanding of the game and its making it that much more enjoyable

So ye, just though I would check back and let you all know how I was getting on

OH one thing, I was just wondering what characters you lot are playing lately and what you find you are doing mostly with them

Peace love and bananas,
Nathxoxo!!

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:31 pm

I'm playing a mage right now, mainly summoner. Trying as much as possible to avoid using any destruction magick with him. Nothing beats being able to summon an army of monsters to fight for you. Although being able to blow stuff up with my previous mage was fun too.

Just out of curiosity do you have regular Oblivion or do you have the Game of the Year addition?

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:13 am

Ares2382 wrote:I'm playing a mage right now, mainly summoner. Trying as much as possible to avoid using any destruction magick with him. Nothing beats being able to summon an army of monsters to fight for you. Although being able to blow stuff up with my previous mage was fun too.

Just out of curiosity do you have regular Oblivion or do you have the Game of the Year addition?

Ah that sounds cool, almost like a warlock or something

I have the Game of the Year addition which I purchased off steam while it was on sale

Any particular reason why you ask? ;D

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:16 am

Well I saw you said you joined the Mages Guild. I figured with a stealth character the only reason to do that is to get access to the enchanting workstation in the Arcane University.

But one of the DLCs gives you access to an enchanting worstation as well, albeit it will cost you quiet a few septims to get it.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:23 am

Ares2382 wrote:Well I saw you said you joined the Mages Guild. I figured with a stealth character the only reason to do that is to get access to the enchanting workstation in the Arcane University.

But one of the DLCs gives you access to an enchanting worstation as well, albeit it will cost you quiet a few septims to get it.

Ah I just joined it for the quest line to give me something to do as Fljotsdale said it was quite good

If I've purchased the GOTY Edition on steam will I have the DLCs already installed or not?

Also I don't know what albeit or septims are sorry ;p

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:50 am

Ares2382 wrote:Yey, I have a convert

Not necessarily...

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:01 am

Nathxoxo wrote:Ah I just joined it for the quest line to give me something to do as Fljotsdale said it was quite good

If I've purchased the GOTY Edition on steam will I have the DLCs already installed or not?

Also I don't know what albeit or septims are sorry ;p

Albeit is roughly the same as 'although'. It was in common use in my grandparents' time - and I am a grandparent myself!

Septims are the gold coins you use in the game.

ALL of the Guild quests are pretty good, Nath, but some are better than others. As a Stealth Character you will probably enjoy the Dark Brotherhood most; a lot of male players like it the best. I like the Thieve's Guild best. The Mages Guild, besides being interesting, is also of the most benefit because you can buy a lot of spells at a much cheaper rate when you are a member (don't forget to haggle for the best price whenever you buy or sell - it's the only real use for Mercantile and Speechcraft), and you get a couple of really good items. The Guild quests I like least are Fighter's Guild, but maybe that's cos I'm not male!

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:03 am

Albeit = Although

Septim is the name for the currency in Cyrodiil (which is the name of the continent where Oblivion takes place).

Yes, GOTY edition comes with all the DLCs and the Shivering Isle expansion.

Mages guild has some ok quests, but surprisingly, I think there's more fighting involved in doing all the quests for the mages then the fighter's guild.

By far the best quests in this game are those for the Dark Brotherhood (a guild of assassins, perfect for you), but I'd wait to get your sneak up higher before doing that. And also, unlike the other guilds, you can't just walk up to the Dark Brotherhood member and ask to be allowed to join.

You don't find the Dark Brotherhood, the Dark Brotherhood finds you.... and I don't think I need to explain to you what you'd need to do in order to get noticed by a guild of assassins :devil:

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:05 am

Fljotsdale wrote:The Guild quests I like least are Fighter's Guild, but maybe that's cos I'm not male!

Nope, it's because they stink