Fighter vs. Mage

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:15 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Precisely!
And also... at higher levels mage+mage=mage but fighter+fighter=2 fighters.

This is true but IMO mage=3*fighter

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:03 am

No arguments there but that still doesn't mean that it is better to have a mage heavy party

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:28 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
No arguments there but that still doesn't mean that it is better to have a mage heavy party

så sant (so true, just wanna state my nationality for those interested)

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:41 am

So then my conclusion is that a well balanced party should have one thief, one cleric, one fighter and one mage. That leaves to spots open for other characters unless you have multis. We have mage+mage=mage, fighter+fighter=2*fighter and mage=3*fighter. For most power we should then put 2 fighters in the open spots since that gives us mage+3*fighter=6*fighter.
Hence it is better to have a fighter heavy party.

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:56 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
So then my conclusion is that a well balanced party should have one thief, one cleric, one fighter and one mage. That leaves to spots open for other characters unless you have multis. We have mage+mage=mage, fighter+fighter=2*fighter and mage=3*fighter. For most power we should then put 2 fighters in the open spots since that gives us mage+3*fighter=6*fighter.
Hence it is better to have a fighter heavy party.

Woulnd't you say that mage+mage=1,5mages?

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:04 am

Maybe if there was two robe of vecnas... but there isn't... maybe for some people mage+mage=1.5 mage... maybe for you hehe.
Have you played a mage heavy party?

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:58 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Maybe if there was two robe of vecnas... but there isn't... maybe for some people mage+mage=1.5 mage... maybe for you hehe.
Have you played a mage heavy party?

I played ascention through with Me (Wild mage), Edwin, Jan, Imoen, Nahlia and anomen.

I rocked big a** slaughtered anything that was seen before it knew it. Everything but the fianl battle was a brezze. Just imagine the horror of 5 horrid wriltihning and a storm of vengence coming ur way simultanously.

dios · Post by **dios** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:44 pm

My partys are always consisting of two magic users, always..
Right now i have:

Galadriel, sorceress =)
Kelsey, Sorcerer
Anomen, Fighter/cleric
Romero, Fighter/Thief

just say unbeatable...but i havent really met all these improved guys...the dragons, beholders, U know what will come! =)
mages/sorc can beat the hell out of every single opponent in the game. Yes yes so can fighter...so what? A fighter must have something to help him dispell all those nasty protections every harder opponent throws on him self...=)

Conclusion: Sorcerers makes the game alot easier.

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:24 pm

Originally posted by dios
Conclusion: Sorcerers makes the game alot easier.

and more complex =)

dios · Post by **dios** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:39 pm

a little question from us who DON'T speak english as native language...what means "coplex"? or did U mean complex, i mean that sorcerers are the best characters in the games, i mean when i now have kelsey (actually i'm thinking of downloading Tahsia too) so now Kangaxx and the rest of u! FEAR ME!!! =)

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 2:14 am

with 3 sorcs you are basically impossible to beat, even ascention + sola with everything installed is insanely easy...

9 abu dahzims make mince meat of most enemies, and the true benefits of chain contingency is you kill them before their defenses are fully up, and before they hit you with their spells....

of course, my 3 sorcs, kelsey, tashia and bun bun, were invincible....

of course, bun bun is actually 5 times more powerful than any sorc..... so i was actually playing with 7 sorcs...hehehheheh

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 4:11 am

Originally posted by dios
a little question from us who DON'T speak english as native language...what means "coplex"? or did U mean complex, i mean that sorcerers are the best characters in the games, i mean when i now have kelsey (actually i'm thinking of downloading Tahsia too) so now Kangaxx and the rest of u! FEAR ME!!! =)

Complex. sorry typo

dios · Post by **dios** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 8:41 am

@User is bunbun really "just" 5 sorcs? not more..oh..i seem to have overestimated bunbun...

mwoohhhaaa!!!!

really misses an monk NPC...and an yeah...maybe an barbarian also...and that ring who somone mentioned with constant imprived chaos shield

yep...and on saturday...i wont be reachable, than will i be watchinf reprises of the fotball...

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 12:27 pm

dios, bun bun is more powerful than a whole party of just sorcs....

immune to charm, stun, hold, level drain.....

kensai to hit and ac bonuses...

immune to timestop, imprison, and maze....

use any item...

perminant greater acuity....

bhaal powers regen....

version 8 had perminent spell turning as per soa cloak of mirrors...

thinking of adding wing buffet immunity for 9....

a version of bun bun with monk avatar???have yet to test this, but by simply changing avatar, should get the +5 fist item that comes with monk....

also, all the bun buns are designed with malice aforethought to take advantage of game engine abuse...like endless spells, and project image summons abuse....

but its been fun, since bun bun6, i pretty much have a good idea of what innates to add, i have had a lot of fun playtesting to maximize the utility of bun bun,.....

these days i am also hacking extensively the rest of the party....

shapeshifter fighter, jahiera...(thinking of making her shapeshifter kensai....hahahahah)

kensai mage sola

conjuror cleric aerie

immie is a wildmage thief dual...with spike traps...hahahhah....

dios · Post by **dios** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:04 pm

thanks...user... i had'nt overestimated bunbun than...

thaGforce · Post by **thaGforce** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 6:15 pm

In BG2

In Baldur's Gate II, a party of Sorcerors, Mages, or Clerics will easily beat a party of any fighter or thief characters if the enviroment is pretty small, and it depends on their level. There are so many factors, like enviroment for one. If a magic user party goes against six thieves, and the thieves can stealth/backstab, the fight will be over before it begins.

If you're hoping your fighters will win because of magic resistance, you're going to get blown to smitherines. Fighters would have to rely on getting lucky saves or having a big area to run away in and use a ton of potions of invisibility until they waste all of the mages spells and then wait until all the mage's protections are gone, and then they can actually try to attack the mage.

Another thing is magic items and spell selection.

I remember being in so many of these discussions at the BIS board, I don't know why I jumped into this one.

Koveras · Post by **Koveras** » Mon Nov 04, 2002 6:25 pm

I think that fighters are better in the beginning of SoA. Then the mages become powerful in the later stages. In ToB, the fighters become more powerful again. But in the very end, the mages go to the top. So my point is have a balanced party unless you're roleplaying.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Tue Nov 05, 2002 6:28 am

If a magic user party goes against six thieves, and the thieves can stealth/backstab, the fight will be over before it begins.

You gotta be kidding.
stoneskin => dead thieves

Koveras · Post by **Koveras** » Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:41 am

Originally posted by Littiz
You gotta be kidding.
stoneskin => dead thieves

You got that right. In my fight against the murderers in Spellhold, I had 5 party members that can cast stone/ironskin. I didn't even use true sight. When I played a fighter heavy party, I go backstabbed badly.

garazdawi · Post by **garazdawi** » Tue Nov 05, 2002 1:50 pm

Originally posted by Littiz
You gotta be kidding.
stoneskin => dead thieves

But through a role laying aspect (which I think @thaGforce was talking about) you don't know the enimy is coming and therefore no stone skin can be cast. But sinse most amges go with stoneskine raised all the tiem if power gaming then back stab is useless.

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