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Mass cure is irrelevant with all the regeneration stuff (don't you have Gaxx?? ). Rasie dead is too with the rod of resurrection.

Iron skins would allow my R/C to paddle the @$$ of your B/C any day Sigurd

Lets say, since we're all engaged in flights of high fantasy today, my racial enemy is whatever race your character is too.

Well, in a duel perhaps, but masscure is good for a party. And perhapsone would loose a duel, as druids have more magic protections, but Iron skins seems quite useless anyway, since there is no enemytough enough to actually hurt me in combat, only magic. It is good, yes, but there are other level5 spells i rather use, in a party that is. solo it is usefull

I'm a ranger/cleric freak, but I ain't no Iron Skins fanatic either...

Ok.. starting from very begining :

4 lev - Call woodland beings - I disagree with you that it isn't useful spell - It causes the mess during battle - as I remember Nymph casts confussion, lightnings, mass cure, mental domination, hold person etc. (I or Jaheira always have one mass cure and several Call woodland beings - very fast way to have several mass cures & useful creatures)

5 lev - Insects plague - nothing to add.
5 lev - Pixie Dust - something like mass invisibility.

6 lev - fire elemental - nothing to add.

7 lev - creeping doom - better version of insects

[This message has been edited by Manveru (edited 03-30-2001).]

Originally posted by Manveru:
5 lev - Insects plague - nothing to add.
5 lev - Pixie Dust - something like mass invisibility.

6 lev - fire elemental - nothing to add.

7 lev - creeping doom - better version of insects

5 lev - Mass Cure, definitely

6 lev - Aerial Servant could easily beat the $hit out of a Fire Elemental, AS has 23 STR, over 120 HP, a lower THACO, and is invisible until it makes an attack

[This message has been edited by The_Pope (edited 03-30-2001).]

The question was about pure druid spells not about both cleric and druid. I was playing priest of Helm very long time and I'm sure that he has mass cure.

But I agree that AS is better than FE.

[This message has been edited by Manveru (edited 03-30-2001).]

Ironskins no good?? So Stoneskin is worthless too? So sorcerers are dead meat?

Its like talking to 4 year olds with their hands over their ears going "LALALALALALALALALALA, I'm not listening, LALALALALALALAL"

Bye.

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
Ironskins no good?? So Stoneskin is worthless too? So sorcerers are dead meat?

Its like talking to 4 year olds with their hands over their ears going "LALALALALALALALALALA, I'm not listening, LALALALALALALAL"

Bye.

Iron Skins is very good, the only problem is its level. I want other spells at level 5, like Mass Cure and Insect Plague.

Almost all mages in BG2 are just FRESH MEAT (as said old good uncle Butcher in D1)
Let's us see :
Ranger/cleric :

before battle he could cast chaotic commands, death ward, magic ressistance, remove fear, prot.from evil 10radius, shield of archons. chant, bless, defensive charmony could also be useful.

during battle : aerial servants and/or fire elementals, raise death, true sight, flame strike, GATE , cloak of fear, sweet air, insects (insects plague or creeping doom)

And then our mages are in really big trouble .

Originally posted by sigurd:
Dunno if rangers get the Con bonus of fighters (+5 perlevel instead of 2 at con 19)
but i think so

Ok, since you've obviously never played a R/C and were the one who asked the question in the first place, why are you now arguing so strongly for the B/C?

As I have said, they are both very good...but don't claim one is better than the other until you've played with both.

Well i've played with both and i like the b/c
mostly because i like the berserker. Not that i think he's better. But the thing is you can get through ironskin,and insect plaque always seems to take to long to cast, by the time my druids have cast it most of the time everyone who has to die is dead.
Now if you play solo how does a r/c get past maze and
imprisonment, if you play has a b/c its no problem if you play has a r/c you still might get mazed, imprisoned,there is a chance,even for a good player.All in all rangers are hippys and i'am not a bloody hippy

[This message has been edited by ROWDIN (edited 03-30-2001).]

spell immunity or protection form magic will do the trick

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@ROWDIN: Rangers aren't hippies, they're tree huggers! That's a BIG difference. Let's go hug a tree

Hey pope beening a ranger have you very summoned yogi bear .yours rowdin.

Originally posted by ROWDIN:
Hey pope beening a ranger have you very summoned yogi bear .yours rowdin.

Hmm... Try this out:

In BG1, select the subtitles option. Then keep right-clicking on a bear.

Only druidspell worth it is insect plaque, creeping doom is good, but at level7 i prefer something else. Gate is a personal favourite.Iron skins helps lots im sure, but same there, other spells better invested in.
And at level 20 nothing hurts you in combat except dragons perhaps, with a ring of gaxx

Nope, never did play as a rangercleric, but the biggest difference is spells, and berzerker ability. A druid can get most resistances berzerker gets with rage too, but hard to cast all that in a battle, before works but you have to reload if you dunno what i coming, rage has casting time 1 i think, or 0.

It has been mentioned: Call Woodland being is an important spell. For a 4th level spell that Nymph can cast a couple of 4,5,6,7 level spells.
Imprisonment/Maze: like any other non-berserkers the R/C can also use spell-defense (Shield of Archons) or summoned creatures (Skeleton Warriors) to avoid them (at least against the AI).

I understand everybody has their oppinions, but i dont get Minsc&Boos last one. I am berzerker/cleric, have 3 in 2handed, 4 in warhammer and 4 in flail. That is better 2handed combat than rangers can have.


Reason i wont be ranger/cleric is align i think, i cant play good, evil is more fun. I use jaheira anyway, but she wont stay as Sarevok comes to kick her out.