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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:42 pm
by garazdawi
Originally posted by Tamerlane
As tempted as I am to post the entire poem by Wilfred Owen, I'll just extend on your bit. 
ok and I will extend on Tam to post the entire poem
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
A really good peom with all teh images and atuff.....
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:04 pm
by Dottie
"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Herman Goering
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:34 pm
by fable
"This war, like the next war, is a war to end war." -David Lloyd George, 1917
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:10 am
by Tom
Originally posted by Gruntboy
Aw cr*p! Heute Afghanistan, Morgen die welte Tom?! I hope you don't believe that song's lyrics? You referenced the nazis, you lose.
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Hey take it easy – I think the song shows something about the mood in many Arab nations where it has become extremely popular.
I don’t think I should automatically loose (what?) because I quote an Egyptian song writer who may or may not have had a certain quote in mind.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:58 am
by Mister Popo
"there's no such thing as a winnable war." (although I've forgotten the name of the person I am quoting)
"And in the end, our children wil cheer, our women will cheer and under the celebrations, we will weap, for only those who have fought know that they have paid a terrible price for the festivaties." This actually is a quote from a French Luitenant to a friend in Paris in 1916, I read it once in a museum and always remember it.
I also want to make an quote that was the reason for a lot of pain during the Cold War, I'm learning to be a diplomat, and it was taught to us to show how communication is vital.
"In the end, we will bury you." Brezjnjev just after his promotion to Party Leader, he was reffering to a Russian adagium that means something like: "We will be living when you are dead." and with it saying that Communism would always be a better system (okay, the poor man was wrong but he think so).
The Americans thought: "Them are fighting words!" and the till that point existing detente was ignored by the US government Hardliners.
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:57 am
by Tybaltus
Ah...a perfect thread for lyrics of one of my top 10 favorite songs...
Stand or Fall -The Fixx
Crying parents tell their children
If you survive don't do as we did
A son exclaims there'll be nothing to do to
Her daughter says she'll be dead with you
While foreign affairs are screwing us rotten
Line morale has hit rock bottom
Dying embers stand forgotten
Talks of peace were being trodden
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
Is this the value of our existence
Should we proclaim with such persistence
Our destiny relies on conscience
Red or blue what's the difference
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
An empty face reflects extinction
Ugly scars divide the nation
Desecrate the population
There will be no exaltation
Its the euro theatre
Its the euro theatre
Its the euro theatre
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
Stand or fall state your peace tonight
Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:28 pm
by fable
"Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure. If today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you, 'Be silent; I see it, if you don't.'" -Abraham Lincoln
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:36 am
by HighLordDave
"It might be interesting to wonder why all the generals see it in the same way, and all those, who never fired a shot in anger and really held back to go to war, see it in a different way. That's usually the way it is in history."
-GEN Anthony Zinni, USMC (ret.)
The generals Zinni is referring to are Secretary of State GEN Colin Powell (USA, ret.), GEN Norman Schwarzkopf (USA, ret.), and former National Security Advisor LGEN Brent Scowcroft (USAF, ret.). These guys know a thing or two about warfare, unlike our president who dodged the draft by getting his politically influential father to secure a commission in the Texas Air National Guard for him, a duty for which it is not entirely clear that he fulfilled.