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[QUOTE=Darc_Elv_Nyte]

so my suggestions r study your religon a bit more, and perhaps transfer to another [/QUOTE]

well im a Unitarian.

and most of what its about is learning about different religions to find out what you belive in. so there are Budhist (sorry for spelling all you Budhists out there ) Unitarian or other things.

i dont really know what i consider myself. i have thought about it for hours and have gained very little from it

i know that if there was a god, i wouldnt worship it

if there isnt it all leads to 2 words, where and how

ill check up in like an hour or whenev.

DashGore12]the second one[/quote] Ok wrote:not ready to say im bi, i will b eventually bbut not to soon

No hurry here I think, ones sexual orientation is something private and "coming out" with being gay or bi should be done at a point of time where you feel ready for it.

im not mopey or depressed just i AM contemplating suicide.. so unless one of you got an answer that will alter my thoughts on life completely.. my suicidal thoughts still stand strong. (not that your answers werent dynamite! )

There are seldom simple answers to our question about life in general, but what is your current conclusions regarding life? What is the chain of thoughs that leads you to consider suicide?

cant talk to family about stuff... just not comfortable specially cause i see them every day and its face to face.

friends... i got no real friends.. i csant sit down and say i got some problems i need to work out... can u help me?

i dont blame them for this its just that most boys have serious trouble comforting other boys.

When I was a teen, I never talked much with my family either about my personal problems - ones family are not necessarily the best people to give advice. Friends are often better to talk to, but not everybody has close friends and it's also an age thing - it is usually easier to find good friends to talk to as people get older.

I think it's good that you talk here

And btw, I share your opinion that if there was a god as described in the monotheistic world religions (christianity, islam) I wouldn't want to worship that god. On the contrary, I would strongy dislike him.

[QUOTE=C Elegans]

And btw, I share your opinion that if there was a god as described in the monotheistic world religions (christianity, islam) I wouldn't want to worship that god. On the contrary, I would strongy dislike him.[/QUOTE]

glad to know im not alone on that one


1 i just view it as why should i struggle and go through bad experiences (and good ones) when once i get hit by a truck or whatever its all over.

2. no question to answer

3. same answer as one i think if i understand your question right

[QUOTE=DashGore12]1 i just view it as why should i struggle and go through bad experiences (and good ones) when once i get hit by a truck or whatever its all over.
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So if I understand you correctly, the transient nature of human life, ie the fact that when we die (which we will do sooner or later) there is nothing left of us, makes you wonder whether it is worth going through the ups and downs of life? Like why should we struggle when we will all become dirt anyway?

A question: let's presume we knew there was an afterlife. After our earthly lives, we will all come to a nice paradise on a cloud or something and live forever. Would that change anything to you? Would that give you a sense of increased meaning with your life? (It wouldn't for me.)

Must go from work now, will check in later tonight.

I don't really want to get into a discussion about religion, but here are a couple of points. First of all, I believe we all have souls that make us more special than other living things such as insects and microbes. So it is really is a blessing for us to be alive, and it is sad when our lives come to an end.

Second of all, one of the greatest moral philosophers of all time, Immanuel Kant, had some interesting ideas. He said that you should never treat a person, not even yourself, as a means to an end. For example, if you believe that your life is not an end in itself, but has value only if it serves a purpose such as making you or other people happy, then you are treating yourself as a means to an end. To put it another way, your life has value whether you are happy or not. You might disagree, but Kant was a pretty smart guy, and I'll take his word over other people's any day.

I can't tell you why life has meaning (you probably wouldn't agree with me, anyway), but I can tell you that your life has value, period, and it would be a shame to waste it.


[QUOTE=DashGore12]1 i just view it as why should i struggle and go through bad experiences (and good ones) when once i get hit by a truck or whatever its all over.[/QUOTE]
Such questions are meaningless to people who have a strong will to live. Why struggle to live? Because you're alive. People who have a strong will to live don't need a reason to carry on, through good times or bad. Most people don't even think about existential issues; they just live. They do it because they feel like doing it. That's what I mean when I say that philosophical issues would not cause you to despair if you felt better. If you felt better, then you would want your life to continue even if you couldn't understand the meaning of life. "I'm alive, and I'm going to stay that way, thank you very much."

I suspect that your will to live is weak right now; otherwise, you wouldn't be asking us to give you a reason why you should struggle to live. I suspect that you are depressed. Depression saps the will and makes us feel that we might as well die since life is "meaningless". Depression makes us feel that the pain in our lives is so bad, we ought to kill ourselves to put an end to the pain.

There's no shame in being depressed. If I remember the numbers correctly (C Elegans can correct me if I'm wrong), one-third of the U.S. population has experienced or will experience depression at some point in their lives. That's a LOT of people. I'm not ashamed to say that I was once so depressed that I felt like committing suicide; I'm in good company. In hindsight, I can say that I must have been ill when I felt that way, and I don't feel that way now. I have a strong will to live, and I would struggle to live even if someone told me that there isn't any afterlife or the world was going to end tomorrow or I was really living in a bathtub hooked up to a computer that made me think I was living in the "real world". I want to live, even if I'm not happy.

When you feel the will to live, you will feel that there are always alternatives, even if you haven't figured them out yet. "If something goes wrong, I'll try something else; I'm not going to give up." That is how you would feel if you weren't depressed. You wouldn't need for us to tell you why you should let your life go on; you would want your life to continue no matter what anybody said, and no matter how "pointless" life might seem.

I still believe that you will feel better someday. Then you will have your own stories to share with us about how you survived. Better get started.

The meaning of life? Learning who you are and accepting that fact. Some people do that at a young age and don't realise it, others take their entire lives to discover it. I'm not being rude or abusive, but having the balls to stand up and say I am who I am is the entirety of the battle for you now. You've done it to a group of strangers, now think about how you say that to your family. Your family will accept you for who you are if they're your family. And if they don't, they don't come under the definition of family.

You're what, 12 years old? You don't need this at this stage of your life, my opinion is that you maybe don't worry about it until you find some hard facts and definites in your life. People can change who they are and what they love very quickly, and because you're young (nothing demeaning by this, its just simple life experience) you haven't experienced the whole worlds offerings. No one I knew at the age of 12 even wanted to think about being gay/straight/bi - even a friend who is now gay!

Advice? I can only give what I would do in this situation, and that is to get up, dust yourself down, give yourself a kick up the arse and look for direction. Focus your energies on something positive and work hard to achieve it. Play a sport, play chess, master something new, but try and take your concious minds thoughts away from the matter at hand and let the sub-concious work out what it wants to. Thinking about things overcomplicates life. As Baz Luhrman said... "Some of the most interesting 40 year olds I know still don't what they want to do..." Great song by the way, I recommend you listen to Baz Lurhman's Everybody's Free - great motivation.

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Such questions are meaningless to people who have a strong will to live. Why struggle to live? Because you're alive. People who have a strong will to live don't need a reason to carry on, through good times or bad. Most people don't even think about existential issues; they just live. They do it because they feel like doing it. That's what I mean when I say that philosophical issues would not cause you to despair if you felt better. If you felt better, then you would want your life to continue even if you couldn't understand the meaning of life. "I'm alive, and I'm going to stay that way, thank you very much."

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I can see your point, and i dont disagree that there would be people like that, but when i first read this the idea that popped into my head was - instinct. that the will to live as you explained it, was a greater form of instinct. what caused it to be so aggresivly greater was maybe the ability to choose between death ect.
so for me i view that as a greater instinct of a sort.

oh yes and Nippy, ive got to say that was one of the most influencial posts yet. not that everybody elses werent good. yours just struck me.

ill check in later


-Dash

Hey Dash nice avatar, anyhooo...

The reason to live? Well I found mine and her name is Kristin. Never be afraid because you can always get back up no matter how hard you fell, forgive those who hurt you because one day you'll be asking for thier forgiveness. Dont go to bed mad and always always ALWAYS drink your liquer before the beer.

RT, I'm afraid it may be dangerous to find the meaning of life in somebody else... What if that doesn't last long? You loose the meaning of life...

On the other hand it may be the key to a successful relationship to be able to trust someone so much that you actually dare to say that he/she is the meaning of your life...

Dunno what's the best...

[QUOTE=DashGore12]
1. I am secretely bisexual and no one but me knows

2. i have gotten WAY to deep for my age intot he meaning of life

3. considoring suicide (only thing holding me back is how to do it, knives = to painful, hanging = how the **** i do that?, and all the other options escape me rite now
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1) You are what you are and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think anyone here holds it against you. You're quite mature to be able to admit that and you should be commended for being strong and courageous about it. It takes a lot of guts to be able to just say it in public. Besides, gender has nothing to do with what sort of person you are. It's what you do and how you treat others that matters.

2) Everyone's covered this already. I'm not nearly as eloquent as they are so I shouldn't comment.

3) See #2