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@Fable and Georgi: What I meant to point out with my post was that the relative perfect pitch where the person has the reference tone internalised, would be impossible to distinguish from absolute perfect pitch from the outside, unless specific tests are done.

Moreover, if a person is capable of internalising a speficic tone and recaling it without reference, doesn't this imply that they are theoretically capable of internalising any tone? i.e. Aboslute pitch?

[QUOTE=frogus23]@Georgi,

Well I was gonna post the new spiritual revelation of Krsna that I was moved to write while in an ecstatic trance last night, but there was a character limit. [/quote]

Naughty Frogus, artificially draining your serotonin 5-HT1A receptor density without letting us all know in advance! I guess I'll just have to use the I Ching to figure out your methodology.

What is a tenor horn?

Tenor saxophone. Tenor horn or tenor sax is a typical way of referring to it in English.

Naughty Frogus, artificially draining your serotonin 5-HT1A receptor density without letting us all know in advance! I guess I'll just have to use the I Ching to figure out your methodology.

So many chastisements on this front I can't believe. I try to listen to my doctor, or failing that, my Be.

I am endlessly impressed by everyone's musical skills (or hexes, Moonbiter) by the way.

So tell me what is your showcase piece?

Is that to me? Because I only play the piano very poorly. I did pretty well with a range of relatively difficult Celtic tunes on the accordion, years ago. I just didn't have time to continue, and when I moved (yet again), never bothered hooking up with another group.

I also learned to play the alto recorder very quickly, but had to give it up. My asthma simply made doing that frequently enough impossible.

My favorite ethnic accordion music, by the way, is from Bulgaria. There are some performers on relatively rare Balkanton recordings that have an amazing polyrhythmic sense, and at blinding speeds, too.

[QUOTE=fable]What is a tenor horn?

Tenor saxophone. Tenor horn or tenor sax is a typical way of referring to it in English.[/QUOTE]

*BZZZZ*

Sorry Fable, wrong answer. (Ahhh... not often I get to say that! )
1. A tenor horn is not a tenor saxophone.
2. A tenor horn is not a French horn.
A tenor horn is primarily a brass band instrument. It's in E flat, lower than trumpet/cornet and flugel horn but higher than euphonium and trombone. It looks somewhat like a euphonium but smaller. If you've seen Brassed Off, it's what Ewan McGregor plays. I will try and find a photo later, but they are few and far between on the net for some reason.

Found a pic...

[QUOTE=Georgi]*BZZZZ*

Sorry Fable, wrong answer. (Ahhh... not often I get to say that! )
1. A tenor horn is not a tenor saxophone.
2. A tenor horn is not a French horn.
A tenor horn is primarily a brass band instrument. It's in E flat, lower than trumpet/cornet and flugel horn but higher than euphonium and trombone. It looks somewhat like a euphonium but smaller. If you've seen Brassed Off, it's what Ewan McGregor plays. I will try and find a photo later, but they are few and far between on the net for some reason. [/QUOTE]

LOL! when my son joined Year 4, they were invited to learn an instrument. Now I was quite keen on the stringed (violin, cello etc) but he decided on brass. Images of my sister trying to "quietly" learn to play the trumpet came to mind...she parped that C for months it seemed, whilst being confined to the cupboard under the stairs (once the neighbours got to complaining about her garden practise)

My boy chose brass, and I cringed. Somehow, everyone but him ended up with trumpet, he was the "chosen one" for the French Horn, why? I don't know - but he received credits on the hire of the instrument for a year because they were trying to encourage the FH.

He is doing fine with it, and I (surprisingly) find it inoffensive! ( )

[QUOTE=Georgi]*BZZZZ*

Sorry Fable, wrong answer. (Ahhh... not often I get to say that! )[/quote]

Um, in this case, you're incorrect--about my being wrong, that is. You didn't specify whether you meant the classical or jazz term. A tenor horn in jazz is a tenor sax.

For example, there's an article about Hadley Caliman, written by a long-time pro, that includes the following bit: "Gasca had kicked Bobby Capers out of the group, and he needed a tenor horn. Caliman joined the group..." So what instrument does Caliman play? You can see here.

And here's a bit of an obit on the fine jazz musician, Georgie Auld: "While he began on alto saxophone, he switched to the tenor horn under the influence of Coleman Hawkins...." He's defined as a tenor saxophonist.

[QUOTE=Georgi][/QUOTE]

This is the "Tenor Horn" my son plays

Yeah There are a lot of different names for instruments, And there are a lot of instruments thst look the same and sound the same but are different in s few different things. i.e Tenor sax, Euphorium, Baritone. (sp?)

[QUOTE=Yshania]This is the "Tenor Horn" my son plays [/QUOTE]

And thats what I call Bombardino

[QUOTE=fable]Um, in this case, you're incorrect--about my being wrong, that is. You didn't specify whether you meant the classical or jazz term. A tenor horn in jazz is a tenor sax.[/QUOTE]

Well, you did leap in and say that's what I meant, when you didn't know. In any case I said I played it in a brass band, so it should be obvious I didn't mean a saxophone. I know in jazz they do refer to saxes as horns, but that's a more specialised definition, IMO, not the standard one.

@Ysh cool The tenor horn is much less piercing than the trumpet, and also tenor horn players are much in demand, especially once you get good - my teachers tried many times to get me to swap to French horn and play in an orchestra, when we didn't even have enough tenor horns for our brass band. Stick with it, I say.

[QUOTE=Georgi]Well, you did leap in and say that's what I meant, when you didn't know. [/quote]

You asked a question, I answered it to the best of my ability, given how little you provided to go on.

In any case I said I played it in a brass band, so it should be obvious I didn't mean a saxophone.

I'm a forum member, Jim, not a detective.

I know in jazz they do refer to saxes as horns, but that's a more specialised definition, IMO, not the standard one.

Has been as long as I've been arouind, and I used to write reviews for Jazziz, the oldest jazz magazine. That's no guarantee of accuracy on my part, but the fact that it's standard use in the only regular jazz publication for years indicates a certain acceptance in a major field of music. I've also got tons of reviews going back into the 1930s that refer to jazz horns and saxes interchangeably, so the practice really stretches back.

I'm not trying to razz ya, Georgi. This really *is* one accepted definition. If you ask a jazz lover what a tenor horn is, they'll tell you it's a tenor sax. Can we just agree that you meant a different kind of music, and let it go at that?

[QUOTE=Darth Zenemij]Yeah There are a lot of different names for instruments, And there are a lot of instruments thst look the same and sound the same but are different in s few different things. i.e Tenor sax, Euphorium, Baritone. (sp?)[/QUOTE]


I think you mean Euphonium. As far as I know there is no such thing as a Euphorium. Also, the Tenor Sax, Euphonium, and Baritone are all different instruments IIRC.

@fable, It's probably a less standard usage outside of the US where Jazz is less standard itself. Jazz is a great form though IMO. You haven't truly heard jazz until you have heard it played by people with a fifth grade education, half-drunk from the night before on the streets of the French Quarter.

fable wrote:You asked a question, I answered it to the best of my ability, given how little you provided to go on.

Frogus asked a question

I'm a forum member, Jim, not a detective.

Well, I expect better from you than some of the neandethals round here, Fable!

Has been as long as I've been arouind
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I'm not trying to razz ya, Georgi. This really *is* one accepted definition. If you ask a jazz lover what a tenor horn is, they'll tell you it's a tenor sax. Can we just agree that you meant a different kind of music, and let it go at that?

It is a standard definition in jazz, which is itself a specialisation. Anyway. I don't really care, so let's leave it at that.

@Jopp You're right about the tenor sax, baritone and euphonium. Tenor sax is a woodwind instrument, so completely different from the other two. Baritone (as in horn, not sax) and euphonium are somewhat interchangeable - they're both played in the same pitch, and I really should know what the difference is but I don't. It could be that baritones have three valves and euphoniums have four, but I'm really not so sure. I can understand those two being muddled up though.

I'm pretty sure a Euphonium is basically a french horn and a baritone is like a miniature tuba. I may be wrong though.

[QUOTE=jopperm2]I'm pretty sure a Euphonium is basically a french horn and a baritone is like a miniature tuba. I may be wrong though.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong. A euphonium and a baritone look very similar - like a miniature tuba, like you say.

Euphonium:
Baritone:

Okay!

Well, anyway, they're different!

I play theroman and guitar, im good at guitar but I can only play theroman well when drugs tend to be involved..I guess thats why Jimmy page and Jimmy hendrix where so good at it (go figure) so I can totaly rock outloud on guitar when im into solo's and stuff...like erouption, I am fairly well, Ive been playin for 6yrs