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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:58 am
by Magrus
I have no problem, whatsoever discussing anything that's brought up. Well, topics along the lines of racism and such with people who follow it is a good way to rile me up but I can discuss just about anything. It's other people who get squeemish or embarrassed.

I just know because there was a girl who went through one group of my friends and made comments about it and other things she found out sleeping with them. To which, she got all sorts of irritation from my buddies and I couldn't help but laugh at them. Thats just one of those taboo things you don't bring up as a respect issue. The compare and contrast thing just isn't something you do.

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:00 am
by winter rose
[QUOTE=Denethorn]To be honest I've never come across the custom of shaving "the hair down there".

I mostly hear my muslim friends either moan or comment (depending on how devout they are ;) ) about non-halal meat, pork and drinking. Its almost painful watching my friend count down the seconds to when he can eat after 12 hours of fasting during Eid. Not to mention getting up at 5 in the morning so he can eat before sunrise. I give him alot of respect for his willpower.

Never heard of the shaving law though :p [/QUOTE]

It is not so much as a law as much as a word of advice. I mean cleanliness is important in almost every aspect one can think of. So common sense would be enough when taking this issue into consideration.

Actually the fasting is during Ramadan- Eid is the last day of Ramadan - when we celebrate. And fasting is actually (sicentific study was done) good for ones health. Plus we wake up around 5AM have a BIG meal, then go back to sleep. During the day its not so bad at all, because we had that big meal to keep us well through out the day.Then around 4 PM we have another BIG meal to break our fast.

Plus meat we can eat, it just has to be slaughtered (the animal) a certain way. It must be sure that Gods name is used in the process, and that its quick and doesnt cause any pain to the animal.

Pork is a no, along with drinking. But all these have reasons. The biggest being health. And to protect people from all the negative affects/aspects of such.

Cuchulain -- Im glad my answer was helpful.

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:02 am
by Cuchulain82
I'll talk about anything, whether I'm talking or spamming (ie: my recent post in the insomnia thread). Sometimes this gets me in trouble. I do have enough sense, however, not to talk about this with people I don't know very well (or at work).

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:07 am
by winter rose
I believe there is a time and a place for any type of discussion. And of course it does depend on an individual's level of comfort with the topic being discussed. But honestly the so called "taboo" topics should be brought up and cleared up. Sometimes people need to know the facts aside from the opinions they hold.

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:35 am
by Cuchulain82
Hey CM... so....ummm...

What'd you do?

Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:37 am
by VonDondu
This is more than I ever wanted to say in public, but here goes.

Laser hair removal does not always yield permanent results. But in my own experience, electrolysis does result in permanent hair removal, at least for certain types of hair. I bought a home electrolysis kit nearly twenty years ago and did it myself (it cost less than $50), and the hair I removed has not grown back. I'd say that's pretty successful (and not too expensive). However, a few words of explanation are in order.

First of all, I mainly did it on my eyebrows (I inherited bushy eyebrows from my mother and I didn't want to pluck them the rest of my life). I had to repeat the treatment several times over the course of a year because over half of all fair follicles are dormant at any given time. You have to let each follicle become active and grow a hair before you can remove the hair permanently, so you have to wait several months for all of the hairs to grow in. (That might give some people the impression that the hair is "growing back" after a treatment, but it's probably not the same hair follicles.) It's also not a bad idea to break up the treatment into many different little sessions since the process is so time-consuming and because the pain and irritation is cumulative. Since there was redness and swelling for up to one or two days (usually less), I avoided going out in public after the treatments. (That shouldn't be a problem for people who remove hair from their private areas.) The pain was minimal, but as I said, it was a cumulative thing, so the longer the session, the more uncomfortable it became. It's also a very tedious process, and I simply wanted to stop and take a break from it.

I did remove some hair from my bikini area, and again, the results were permanent, but I avoided the most sensitive areas. I had the suspicion that electrolysis has a desensitizing effect, and that's not a price I'm willing to pay for hair removal. If you want to take a chance, that's a decision you would have to make, and I advise you to do some research before you start. I don't like the bare look (personally, I think it's ridiculous), so that was not my objective; rather, I was just trying to remove some of the hair that went past my bikini line. Again, I had to wait several months for all of the hair to grow out to make sure I removed all the hair that I intended to. But it worked, and I'm happy with the results.

I also tried to remove some hair from my toes, but I quickly gave up because my toes are too sensitive and it was too painful. It was also the most difficult hair to remove, perhaps because of the orientation of the follicles. The electrolysis needle has to be inserted into each pore exactly the right way. If you insert the needle incorrectly, you can burn the wall of the pore or the surrounding skin. You're not supposed to pierce the skin; the needle is supposed to slide easily and painlessly into the pore if you do it right. Since merely trying to insert the needle hurt my toes, I might not have been inserting it correctly.

Overall, I'd say that electrolysis is less painful than plucking. The good thing is, once a hair is removed, it's gone for life, so a small amount of pain was a small price to pay. As a rule of thumb, if electrolysis hurts too much, then it's probably not being done correctly. There's supposed to be a little tiny sting (like pressing a needle against your arm just enough to feel it without breaking the skin) that lasts for about fifteen seconds. If you apply too much current to the follicle, there might not be excessive pain, but burning and scarring can result, so you have to be careful. If there's too much swelling or if the pores look like sores after the electrolysis, then you've overdone it. (A small amount of oozing is normal as long as the pore looks healthy.) You need to use the least amount of current possible, so you have to experiment to determine what's effective. The device I used emitted five-second pulses of electricity. I used a very low setting and used three pulses on each hair follicle (instead of the recommended five). If the hair pulled out easily with tweezers (no resistance at all), then the treatment was done correctly.

If your hair is really thick, your results might not be as good as mine. My boyfriend tried to remove some hair from his beard, and it didn't work. In other words, at the settings we were using, the hair could not be plucked out easily after applying the electrical current, and I wouldn't let him turn up the power. He has a high tolerance for pain, so I was afraid he would overdo it and end up with burning and scarring. He wanted to remove some of the whiskers that grow past the standard "beard line" on his cheeks and around his mouth, but I figured it wasn't worth the risk. I told him that if he wanted his whiskers removed, he needed to hire a professional. I think that thick male whiskers are just too tough fo the device that we were using. But as I said, it worked fine on my eyebrows and my pubic hair.

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:29 am
by Brynn
[QUOTE=winter rose]CM -- Laser and such is not a great idea. Firstly its very expensive, secondly you have to have a certain amount of treatments done, thirdly eventually I believe it does grow back. Plus its not all that safe either.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, what if they accidentally program the machine to cut off your... er... rubber ducky? :p (Whether that's a loss for the world or not is another matter :D )

So, what did you choose eventually? :)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:33 am
by CM
I am still considering. I will mostlikely shave once again this weekend and then proceed to look at veet and nair and stuff and see what the creams do and have. I may try a cream on say my chest or my arm pits before i try to use bio-chemical weapons on my boys :d

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 6:53 am
by Cuchulain82
[QUOTE=CM]I may try a cream on say my chest or my arm pits...:d[/QUOTE]
YOu have to do your chest as well? Wow- does all hair except head and face hair have to be gone?
(Or are you just using the chest as a test run?)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:12 am
by Magrus
I asked my friend going through her cosmotology class. Those two years of school came up with the same stuff on here. Wonderful waste of money IMO. :rolleyes:

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:19 am
by CM
Chest for test run. To see how my body reacts to the cream. Other wise it is just the two areas. Arm pits and the boys.

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:32 am
by Cuchulain82
[QUOTE=CM]Chest for test run. To see how my body reacts to the cream. Other wise it is just the two areas. Arm pits and the boys.[/QUOTE]
Entendido. Probably a wise decision.

Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:33 am
by Magrus
Good luck with that. :)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:10 am
by Thomas77
Come on CM try the Flobee! :D

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:30 am
by winter rose
[QUOTE=Brynn]Yeah, what if they accidentally program the machine to cut off your... er... rubber ducky? :p (Whether that's a loss for the world or not is another matter :D )

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LOL brynn. His rubber ducky does have value.

Just like him to leave everyone in suspense. :p

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:29 am
by Magrus
[QUOTE=Thomas77]Come on CM try the Flobee! :D [/QUOTE]

Oh I second that one. I can see it now....

WR "What ARE you doing with my vacuum?!" :confused:

Fas "I told you not to bother me when I'm vacuuming!" :mad:

WR "Well hurry up with it!" :mad:

Fas "AHH! It's caught!" :o :eek:

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:31 pm
by Thomas77
Well, here are couple more options:

- Try the "Trimmer" if you're a do it yourselfer

- Or maybe if you want the more mechanized approach and prefer it nice and even, then try the "NiceandEven".

- But if you're looking for a closer and more smooth approach, try the "CloseandSmooth".

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:05 pm
by Sytze
@CM: nothing that's sharp comes anywhere near that area. Better to have some trees with bushes, than to have a wasteland, I always say ;)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:11 pm
by Magrus
[QUOTE=Sytze]@CM: nothing that's sharp comes anywhere near that area. Better to have some trees with bushes, than to have a wasteland, I always say ;) [/QUOTE]

Ha, wonderful analogy. :D

Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:20 pm
by Thomas77
[QUOTE=Sytze]@CM: nothing that's sharp comes anywhere near that area. Better to have some trees with bushes, than to have a wasteland, I always say ;) [/QUOTE]

Yeah, but bushes and trees tend to attract bugs and other pesky rodents.... :eek: