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[QUOTE=snoopyofour]"That is true, and if you've read the README-tactics you'd know that.'

And if you'd read it you'd know that the random-encounters program is specifically designed to put you up against a party 2-3 levels above your main character.[/QUOTE]

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| Ishan's "Always Toughest Random Spawns in Dungeons"
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This ensures that you will always get the most difficult random dungeon
spawns regardless of the number of people in your party and your
experience level. For example, you will always get all of the Statues in
the Watcher's Keep and you will always get the toughest kind of
randomly-appearing trolls.

As you obviously missed it yourself; here's a copy from the README-Tactics.txt. To put it simple, your barbarian's level does *not* make your game harder.

If you're talking about the random encounters that appears with the voice that tells you to defend yourself, they're not that big part of the game and hardly fits the description to "tailor" the game.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]This is quiet simply wrong. I've killed 3 already with my barbarian alone. Scrolls and spells are a kind of equipment so if my lvl 10 doesn't get any good weapons, your mage doesn't get any good spells. I'm done arguing with you about this. My barbarian has 3 liches, 2 dragons, and Kouraison to his name. After I finish off Kangaxx I'm deleting this lame mod and finishing ascension.[/QUOTE]

Would you stop calling the mod for "lame"? The only experience you have with it is importing a barbarian with HLAs, something you're not supposed to be even close to, and finishing of a few battles. I don't think there's any player at all that cannot do that.

Go play from scratch (no importing) with full tactics and ascension and let me know how you handled Improved Illyich. Then let us know if you think the mod is "lame".

And this is no arguement. You claim to have killed them without giving out any information about how you did it, and the few things you did write didn't match the experience that the rest of us has had with imp. liches.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]PS: I would love to know how your solo lvl 10 sorceress killed an impr. lich. To put it lightly I think you're lying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thrifalas]His point is, that while a 10 barbarian without equip can't kill a unmodded lich, a mage can. or a ken/mage. And while imp. liches are totally impossible for barbarians to kill, they're not for casters. His point is correct, but I guess you don't see that.[/QUOTE]

Calling a person for a lier when you've not even cared enough to read his full post is actually slightly unmannered.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]"To put this lightly we thing you're wrong, and I bet Thrifalas or I can just make a level 10 sorceror make a lich go down."

An improved lich? We are talking about the same thing right? And if you're talking about just using scrolls to spells you can't memorize then spare me. I don't really see you surviving a fight with a lich and if you want to prove me wrong then I invite you to go ahead. Although if you do I could just pull your response and just deny that you're telling the truth. But anyway kangaxx is dead, and guess what, I still have both of my protection from magic scrolls and I even forgot that I had the "cloak of cheese". I don't suppose I have to clarify that my barbarian did this without a single other member to the team. I actually killed them all before I went into the fight just to make sure that it was mano ah licho. But anyway, that's pretty much the end of this little experiment. Kouraison was easily the most interesting part. I think I'm going to go back and save right before his fight just so I can have the pleasure of kicking his scrawny butt again and again. [/QUOTE]

A level 10 sorcerer will bring down liches and kangaax. Attempt it yourself.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]"No you havent told us. You told you'd use prot from magic scrolls, whirlwind or somehting but you havent told us how the battle per se has happened. You told that you've slain the skeletons which are annoying, and hten after that you've rested (or something) and returned."

What do you want, a round by round for the entire fight? I've already told you as much strategy as I had to use. Oh and by the way, I didnt use protection scrolls for any of those earlier liches.[/QUOTE]

No, not really. Its not needed: you havent done it.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]"The fact is that a level 5 sorceror can slay Firkraag, if one knows how to direct his powers."

Oh really, please tell me how you would do this. You don't get scrolls that you can't memorize and you're dead the first time he blows fire. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Would it matter? You dont care - yes, you just dont care. We have been telling you how the engine works, how the things happen, you just dont care. Nothing matters to you except for mindless hack and slash. It is a way to play the game yes - have fun. I'm using your words.

To your knowledge:

By the time you reach firkraag you've got tons of fire resistance potions. And there's a level 3 spell called "protection from fire". Lets see what Xyx tells us about this spell:

[QUOTE=Xyx spellguide]Protection from Fire
Elemental resistance isn't worth much, but fire damage is reasonably common. This spell will make you 100% resistant to all fire damage, so memorize this if (and only if) you expect to run into lots of enemies with fire based attacks.



This spell is erroneously cumulative with itself. Get the fix from Baldurdash.


Being more than 100% resistant means fire will actually heal you.[/QUOTE]

OMG! A mage with a level 3 spell can be UNHURT by the flames! Really, that's surprising, I never thought so before. Have you? Ok ok - You cant cast this spell and others spells enough to kill him? No problem! In the adventurer's mart you can buy protection from fire scrolls and use the slot you have at level five for other things. Oh and you can always bring extra scrolls of skull trap - but you havent thought that too and you wouldnt allow that too huh? I know. I dont mind. Its useless, really. And, as they say, slaying dragons is easy, and something to be left to a high level fighter.

Regardless of all that has been said, this discussion is each time more futile, and going torwards flame. As mr rbervergir has pointed out. And as Fable asked, we ALL should try to keep a low profile here. I apologize for being rude if I ever was, and I would enjoy seeing someone being a wee little bit more humble regarding the game. For I will try to be.

[QUOTE=snoopyofour]PS: I would love to know how your solo lvl 10 sorceress killed an impr. lich. To put it lightly I think you're lying.[/QUOTE]

I think I've already warned you once about insulting others, and mentioned a temporary ban if this practice continued. You apparently didn't take this seriously, though you said otherwise at the time. You're now banned for a week from these forums.

I would also suggest that if you return and decide to post, you provide evidence backing up your own claims, before attacking others for not supporting their own. This would probably enhance your credibility. Your choice, of course.

[QUOTE=Luis Antonio]And as Fable asked, we ALL should try to keep a low profile here. I apologize for being rude if I ever was, and I would enjoy seeing someone being a wee little bit more humble regarding the game. For I will try to be.[/QUOTE]

Well said, I've had a hard time restraining myself from turning this into something more flame-like, which probably shows in my posts.

As far as the whole barbarian-ever-matching-mages "discussion", I might have been mistaken about barbarian being able to take down tactic-liches, but that only proves that they can accomplish something the caster can at half their level.

I'll not discuss it any further. It's been proven times and times again, by players who're really devoted to the game, that this game is build around spells and abilities, and that a versatile caster can accomplish so much more than any warrior.

If snoopyofour doesn't want to learn from the ones who actually have earned their crowns as masters of the game (no, not me, but rather xyx, littiz, alson, unuserfriendly) it's his choice. If he honestly believe that he knows so much about this complicated game after 2 playthroughs, I will let him.

But it's his loss.

And I think this topic can be closed. In the end, it didn't recive more than 5% posts that actually stayed on-topic. It's been a meaningless discussion to deaf ears (trying not to flame, but that's how I felt), and it's due time to be ended. This isn't going anywhere.

Guys, let's not drub him while he's out, okay? If you want to confront him and argue strategy when he returns, fine. Until then, lets deal with his initial challenge--either that, or just let it drop.

[QUOTE=fable]just let it drop.[/QUOTE]

I thought that's what I said... That was what I was trying to say anyway. I'm sorry if it ended up a bit blurry.