Boo Hoo Hoo BG Dungeon Tavern Has Closed

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:02 am

this is sad indeed

I liked that forum too even though that this is my prime forum I went there often.
it sounded that there are a slim chance that it might get back up again, let's hope so.
it is nice to see all the "new" guys here from the tarven, welcome.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:09 am

@All: It is indeed a shame that BGDungeon closed down. Though, I never spent much time there, I am sure it was a fine site…and I am sure you are all disappointed. However, let's remember we are all guests on GameBanshee and show some consideration for our host and the current members.

Quotes like:
"I can't believe the best board on cRPG has closed. Are their any other to compare?" and "Yeah i just opened it a few seconds ago, and saw the message. This sucks. It was the best crpg forum"
Are just not polite things to post on a site that Buck has put his time, effort, and money into making the best site possible. You don't all have to be jumping up and down proclaiming the greatness of GameBanshee, but at least don't post these not so subtle hints that given your druthers, you'd rather be somewhere else. If that is really the case, set off in search of greener pastures with my best wishes.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:01 pm

You don't all have to be jumping up and down proclaiming the greatness of GameBanshee, but at least don't post these not so subtle hints that given your druthers, you'd rather be somewhere else. If that is really the case, set off in search of greener pastures with my best wishes.

This is a topic area in a forum dealing with BG2, and relevant to everything concerning the game. Those who posted here in the terms you described could have done so more diplomatically, but were honest and obviously thought that the site owner would understand and sympathize with their views.

But what are we to make of a person who, without authority, knowledge, introductions, empathy, or experience of the matter in question, rampages into this topic area and suddenly lays about with a cudgel? You've never seen BGDungeon, as you admitted, so your comments in this topic area are, at best, uninformed. Who are the main posters to the subject at hand, here, and who is the uninvited guest? Your comments about green pastures and such are well worth pursuing, and I'll gladly lend you a tour guide if you need help in finding the door for more attractive discussions.

[This message has been edited by fable (edited 03-23-2001).]

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:05 pm

Cat fight!

shesgottahaveit · Post by **shesgottahaveit** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:14 pm

Originally posted by Flagg:

I hope that all of you will like it here at GameBanshee even if it is not BG Tavern.

Thank you for the welcome. And I apoligize if any of my posts were disrepectful that was not my intention.

frelic · Post by **frelic** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:20 pm

to all cats...

I agree that civility should be exercised. Perhaps those of us complaining about the loss of another board could temper comments with respect to our new host. But again, there's alot of venting to be done.

As for not having seen both areas, well I have. According to my scorekeeping, BGDungeon's message board had significantly more action (and maybe that was the downfall) than gamebanshee. But gamebanshee had considerably more up to date information.

And one more plus, I had a really hard time getting a password for BGDungeon because of that anti-auto email stuff from aol. Gamebanshee's came through with no problem. Kudo's for that.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:20 pm

<Thwap!> No cat fight, TP. Waverly has a legitimate gripe; only he's not the one to express it--that right belongs to the site owner. Only the site owner can show people the door, and frankly, it's nobody else's responsibility (or privilege, depending upon how you view the option) to co-opt it. Doing so is a bit like being ordered out of somebody else's house by another guest.

shesgottahaveit · Post by **shesgottahaveit** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 1:34 pm

Waverly,

Don't make me laugh. I question your commitment to this board since you only have two posts over the past month. And one is above. Both posts seem to be unhelpful complaining.

Flagg,

you should delete this post if it is causing a rift between all the new and you existing members. I should not have posted it but I was emotional at the time and was just looking for my old friends out there....

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:07 pm

Originally posted by fable:
This is a topic area in a forum dealing with BG2, and relevant to everything concerning the game. Those who posted here in the terms you described could have done so more diplomatically, but were honest and obviously thought that the site owner would understand and sympathize with their views.

But what are we to make of a person who, without authority, knowledge, introductions, empathy, or experience of the matter in question, rampages into this topic area and suddenly lays about with a cudgel? You've never seen BGDungeon, as you admitted, so your comments in this topic area are, at best, uninformed. Who are the main posters to the subject at hand, here, and who is the uninvited guest? Your comments about green pastures and such are well worth pursuing, and I'll gladly lend you a tour guide if you need help in finding the door for more attractive discussions.

I wasn't going to reply to this topic....but I see I'm going to have too.

I did look at BGDungeon...I saw the flame war that happened over there about the comment on women.I saw all the guilds formed over there.

I read some great post over and some bad.

Now with my credentials put down so I can have a opinion.

I can see most of you the liked that site and I'm sorry it's shut down for now. But I agree coming here and saying things like "Best" is disrespectful and childish. If any of you have comments to make about another board take it to the e-mails. Common sense should tell them this.

GameBanshee doesn't charge anything to let us the users post on these boards....They spend there time to keep this site up todate (free of charge). They treat everyone as equals...

And what do you I see?? I come here a see remarks made about another site being "Better".

I'm not saying it's you ,but some of the new poster's need to wake up and smell the coffee.This is not BGDungeon. PERIOD and discussing it in a forum about BG2 has nothing to do with the game. How will this thread help me in the game??? Will it tell me where to find the Twisted Rune??? No it will not.

If GameBanshee was to shut down would I run to another board and start a topic like this??? No I would not. Why wouldn't I....because I happen to respect other people and their boards.

Now for all you new posters Welcome

and I hope the time you spend here will be enjoyable (Plus most of you seem to have a great deal of knowledge of BG2 and other games)....and for the one's who feel the urge to start a flame war...let me go ahead and say my goodbye to you....because Buck will not put up with it.

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:14 pm

Amen.

This place was my first home before I found BGDungeon, and I still visited this place regularly, so I'll have none of this bullcr@p.

Both sites rule, and I hope they will both rule in the future as well. There is yet a chance for BGD, and I'll stay here too, even if it does return.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:34 pm

Originally posted by fable:
<Thwap!> No cat fight, TP. Waverly has a legitimate gripe; only he's not the one to express it--that right belongs to the site owner. Only the site owner can show people the door, and frankly, it's nobody else's responsibility (or privilege, depending upon how you view the option) to co-opt it. Doing so is a bit like being ordered out of somebody else's house by another guest.

It wasn't my intention to 'show anyone the door' merely to ask people to have a little common courtesy. It is my hope that we will have plenty of interesting new members...

As for the flames...I'm going to prove I was serious about the courtesy by ignoring them.
\^/averly

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:04 pm

Originally posted by Weasel:
...I can see most of you the liked that site and I'm sorry it's shut down for now. But I agree coming here and saying things like "Best" is disrespectful and childish... I come here and see remarks made about another site being "Better"... If GameBanshee was to shut down would I run to another board and start a topic like this??? No I would not. Why wouldn't I....because I happen to respect other people and their boards.

Now for all you new posters, Welcome and I hope the time you spend here will be enjoyable ...

Thank you, Weasel.

I agree with what you said above. It is tactless and inappropriate to use someone's message board to say that someone else's message board is (or was) better (especially if the only reason you've signed up is because the other one is shut down). On the other hand, I don't think that all references to other message boards should be considered taboo. And I really don't see anything wrong in mourning the passing of a widely known message board (although I would have done it in the SYM Forum, not this one), as long as it is done tastefully. That's just my opinion, of course.

Originally posted by Weasel:
...some of the new posters need to wake up and smell the coffee. This is not BGDungeon...and discussing it in a forum about BG2 has nothing to do with the game. How will this thread help me in the game??? Will it tell me where to find the Twisted Rune??? No it will not.

You mean you haven't found the Twisted Rune yet? I can help you!

[This message has been edited by VonDondu (edited 03-23-2001).]

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:19 pm

@VonDondu....As I said take it to the e-mails... michaeldb71@yahoo.com

Tell me this ....what kind of welcome would I have got if I had posted this over there at BGD.....I would have been flamed . PERIOD

I have read the stuff posted over there and before you say " OH no we wouldn't have" I know that's not the truth.

And I don't believe you answered my question yet.... Where's the Twisted Rune???

shesgottahaveit · Post by **shesgottahaveit** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:27 pm

Originally posted by Weasel:
[BAnd I don't believe you answered my question yet.... Where's the Twisted Rune???[/b]

Peace.

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The twisted rune is located in the Bridge district.. There is a trapped, Locked door. Your must have a rouge stone in you posession to enter..

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:29 pm

Originally posted by Weasel:
Tell me this ....what kind of welcome would I have got if I had posted this over there at BGD.....I would have been flamed . PERIOD

No way!!

There were some @$$es over there, but if you would have gotten flamed, no doubt there would have been guys taking it up for you! BGD has a lot of decent members, who are always kind to newbies.
I remember my first week at BGD. Some @$$ named "[Horde]Apple" said I was just a scrub and that I had to go away because I was talking nonsense (so he claimed) and stuff like that. I took a look at his profile and he had only registered two weeks before I did. What a ****... But there were guys who told me I was welcome on the board. In fact, everyone did, except for that ****!

You have a wrong impression of BGD, I think... There are a lot of polite people on there, including me. I admit I have flamed some guys, because they were acting childish and all, but if I take a look at this SYM, than what I did isn't much worse, i.. not bad at all.
I understand you're trying to defend your board, but there's no need for that, since we're not offending it.

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fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:34 pm

With due respect, Waverly, whatever your intentions may have been, you did specifically show people here the door, and with no little heat.

I remember when I first started playing a certain MMRPG--at the time, on GEnie, and with an unprecedented 100 players during peak times. It was a wonderful product, but the atmosphere was closed, and disdainful (at best) to newcomers. I can still remember politely, repeatedly requesting very occasional assistance on the "telepathy channel" inside the game, only to have every one of 60+ people, many of them relatively nearby, ignore me and continue their conversations. It was impossible to get aid, much less hints or spells that helped one hunt and make levels.

Time passed, and eventually I got "accepted" into the group. In fact, I became one of the highest ranking players for a while, a so-called "Legend" of 53 levels, after playing for three or so years. The game moved to AOL, and subsequently, to the Internet. But with the influx of new people, I made a determined effort not to let folks fall prey to the same kind of insular attitude I'd faced. I answered all the questions I could on their boards, and I helped out newbies all the time in the game. I ignored the pointed comparisons to other MMRPGs out there, and even the seldom-heard "This game sux!" and focused on being as useful as I could.

Unfortunately, some of those who began as trolls became the equivalent of paladins after speaking with me

, but at least they had a welcome. And many ended up loving the game--and I made quite a few friends in the process, too.

I think if GameBanshee's siteowner hadn't meant for those of us who recently started here (and I joined before BGDungeon closed) to post on this subject, it would have been killed long since. Was it impolite for a few to post here over their regrets for that board, and use words like "great," "the best," etc? It was tactless, and I stated as much, above. But a little forebearance on the part of this board's longtime residents, even a bit of sympathy, might have gone a long way to turning those newbies into posters who contribute on a regular basis, without a glance back at another board. Telling these newcomers to leave, or calling their remarks childish, Weasel, probably won't smooth the transition.

As for me, I bore up through years of being sniffed at and ignored by so-called Legends, and realized soon enough when I became one that the only difference between a legend and a newbie is a bit of knowledge. A more important distinction is the one anybody can exercise that separates hostility to newcomers from a gracious welcome and a bit of fond tolerance.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:45 pm

@shesgottahaveit....peace to you too.

And Welcome to GameBanshee.

@The_Pope... I said I read the post over there. And I did say some of them were great. And members here will stick up for you too... If you don't believe me ask around...Buck doesn't put up with people making fun of other people.

Yes I'm defended these boards. If you think these boards need an improvement...there is a forum for that.

@fable...try as you want to turn this around on me ,but you threw the first flame with your remark. Anything after that is your own doing...live with it.

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:53 pm

Originally posted by Weasel:
@The_Pope... I said I read the post over there. And I did say some of them were great. And members here will stick up for you too... If you don't believe me ask around...Buck doesn't put up with people making fun of other people.

Yes I'm defended these boards. If you think these boards need an improvement...there is a forum for that.

I know people will stick up for me here. I've been here for a long time!
BGDungeon had the disadvantage that it didn't have anyone like Buck... BGDungeon (they dude, owner of the site) didn't have the time to take care of his site. THAT's the reason it went down, not financial problems like so many claim. BGDungeon just didn't have the time, he liked his [url="http://www.cheatit.com"]www.cheatit.com[/url] better. For shame! Being the owner of a cheat site!

There's nothing wong with these boards! I came back here because it was exactly like BGD, with the great UBB code I got used to so much (and addicted to, I may add...

). It feels good to be back. I do hope BGD gets back one day, though that won't stop me from posting here no more. I think it was the quest for the Legendary Champion status (2000 posts) that made me stay there. Now I don't care about status anymore, these two boards will be equal to me.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:02 pm

@The_Pope...I hope the site can get back up too..I checked the boards over there everyday till this happened . And I do regret it happened.

Peace to you and Welcome back.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:07 pm

Originally posted by Weasel:
@VonDondu....As I said take it to the e-mails... michaeldb71@yahoo.com

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. However, I don't think that email would have been practical, because I did intend to address all of the people who are interested in reading this thread. (Isn't that an effective way of screening? "If they don't want to read this subject, they don't have to"?) I should have given more emphasis to my "prepared statement", which included my thanks to the host for providing this message board, but I wanted to make it known publicly that I agree with your statements, and I decided to do it all in one post. I apologize if there was any confusion. Generally speaking, when I reply to a message that I've seen in a public forum (such as yours), I prefer to reply in the same forum. But thanks for the email address; I might take you up on it sometime.

Originally posted by Weasel:
Tell me this ....what kind of welcome would I have got if I had posted this over there at BGD.....I would have been flamed. PERIOD. I have read the stuff posted over there and before you say " OH no we wouldn't have" I know that's not the truth.

I'd prefer not to make any more comments about BG Tavern on this message board, but what you just wrote is absolutely true. Like most message boards, especially one of its size, BG Tavern had lots of flaming, trolling, and spamming (but I tried not to hold that against it). There was also very little moderating, at least compared to a board like this one. IMO, that was both the reason for its success AND the reason for its downfall.

Here's my email address if you want to continue this discussion: vondondu@hotmail.com.

Originally posted by Weasel:
And I don't believe you answered my question yet... Where's the Twisted Rune???

Oh, I didn't realize you were serious.

In the southwest corner of the Bridge District, there's a two-story house with blue trim. The blue door that faces southeast leads to Shangalar and the Twisted Rune gang. If you unlock the door, you will see a void (which is actually a teleportation field). To enter, you need to have a rogue stone in your inventory; you can find several of them in the game.