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Aw, what a pity, that means I have to get over to you if I am ever to see you

Not really, just crack open a jug, and turn on the fan....I'll get there.

Well, I am off here. Time to get to bed.

Ty, have a good night.

CE, Tam....have a good day (I hope I got that right)

nite all

Sweet dreams BS

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Well I plan on going there in the next two years, whatever country Mah is in I'll visit. They are all amazing countries and I would love to visit the lesser known parts, already experienced the Bali tourist venues and I hated it.

I have consciously avioded Bali because many people I know have been there, and tells me it is not my style - too exploited, too touristy Damn sir David Attenborough, he should have known better than saying on TV it was the most beautiful place in the world! I bet it was - 25 years ago. Next time I go the South East Asia (been there only twice, to Thailand and Malaysia) I'd like to visit Vietnam and Cambodia.

@Tybalt: I eat a lot of Thai food here You must have collected an awful lot of knowledge about ships and planes during all these years, ever considered working with something like that, or do you prefer to keep it as a hobby?

@BS: I'll remember that! EDIT: good night, BS, sleep well!

Yeah Bali is pretty horrible. The fact that its so cheap from Australia means that its generally an Australian centre. Every second or third person you meet is an Australian, oh to visit a place not full of tourists.

Originally posted by C Elegans


I have consciously avioded Bali because many people I know have been there, and tells me it is not my style - too exploited, too touristy Damn sir David Attenborough, he should have known better than saying on TV it was the most beautiful place in the world! I bet it was - 25 years ago. Next time I go the South East Asia (been there only twice, to Thailand and Malaysia) I'd like to visit Vietnam and Cambodia.

@Tybalt: I eat a lot of Thai food here You must have collected an awful lot of knowledge about ships and planes during all these years, ever considered working with something like that, or do you prefer to keep it as a hobby?

@BS: I'll remember that! EDIT: good night, BS, sleep well!

When you go to Cambodia, you have to go see the Temple of Ankar Vat (Gosh, I must have slaughtered that spelling). Ive heard its a beautiful place and it was described in my favorite book, "First They Killed My Father" which I read in a history class that had Pol Pot as a unit. Scary, scary times those were but the book is quite well written.

Yeah, I have a lot of knowledge about many of the shipwrecks, Ive tried to recently get into the Bermuda Triangle too, the theories of that place never cease to amaze me. Very interesting. But it will stay a hobby, I believe. Its too hard to get into that field. I admire Gwally a lot because he is an archaeologist. A job that I have been interested in because I love history and ruins.

EDIT-I think Im going to say something just to annoy Ode, now that hes lurking:
Im a SLURR and Im proud of it!

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Yeah Bali is pretty horrible. The fact that its so cheap from Australia means that its generally an Australian centre. Every second or third person you meet is an Australian, oh to visit a place not full of tourists.

I can imagine, isn't Fiji also a popular charter resort for people from NZ/Oz? Going to Bali is actually very cheap from Sweden too, considering how far it is. In the 70' and 80' places like Majorica, Canary Islands, Cyprus and the Greek archipelago were very popular charter resorts. During the 90's it became cheap to go outside Europe, so Bali and Thailand became very popular. In Thailand, it is easy to avoid the tourist regions since tourism is fairly concentrated. When I was there, I met about 10 other tourists, only one from Scandinavia and he was a Danish professional diver doing research about coral death. Very handsome too

Originally posted by Tybaltus
When you go to Cambodia, you have to go see the Temple of Ankar Vat

I'll remember that! I usually collect travelling tips from people in a little Word document, stuff I hear from people or see in books or at TV (I watch nature programs sometimes).

Yeah, I have a lot of knowledge about many of the shipwrecks, Ive tried to recently get into the Bermuda Triangle too, the theories of that place never cease to amaze me. Very interesting. But it will stay a hobby, I believe. Its too hard to get into that field. I admire Gwally a lot because he is an archaeologist. A job that I have been interested in because I love history and ruins.

So, do you believe the metan gas hypothesis is sufficient as an explanation? I actually know several people who are archelogists, it seems like a very interesting job but it's a long education and not very well paid considering how much you must study. That is the case with most interesting jobs, unfortunately - one has to count is as "payment" in another way that one has the privilige of doing something that is a great hobby.

Originally posted by C Elegans


So, do you believe the metan gas hypothesis is sufficient as an explanation? I actually know several people who are archelogists, it seems like a very interesting job but it's a long education and not very well paid considering how much you must study. That is the case with most interesting jobs, unfortunately - one has to count is as "payment" in another way that one has the privilige of doing something that is a great hobby.

Yes. Thats the one that convinced me more. Though I was almost convinced that aliens came here just to steal random ships in 1 isolated area in the entire world that resembled a triangle. No. That theory just doesnt work.

Lets see how much I remember the theory: There are sometimes little cracks on the ocean floor, where methane gas escapes and shoots up towards the surface. The gas then causes a rumbling or insecurity on the ocean surface, causing ships to lose balance and sink. Sometimes the gas goes above the water surface and shoots up into the air, causing planes to also lose control and sometimes disrupts communication or could possibly ignite something, as it did to a WWII USA Largish plane-dont remember exactly what type of plane.

I wrote a paper about the Bermuda Triangle for a Free-writing class. Talked about many of the random dissapearance stories, which were sometimes very haunting, and I also described a few theories. That was a fun paper to write. I could go on for hours....

@Tybaltus: Yes, that how I remember the hypothesis as well. There have been observed cases where oil platforms have sunk because of this, haven't there? I also recall I read somewhere that statistically speaking, there is not a significantly larger amount of accidents occuring in the Bermuda triangle than elsewhere, it is the mystery surrouding some of the accidents that has led to an overfocus on the area, but I don't know if this is correct. In any case, the alien ideas doesn't sound very plausible to me

Originally posted by C Elegans
@Tybaltus: Yes, that how I remember the hypothesis as well. There have been observed cases where oil platforms have sunk because of this, haven't there? I also recall I read somewhere that statistically speaking, there is not a significantly larger amount of accidents occuring in the Bermuda triangle than elsewhere, it is the mystery surrouding some of the accidents that has led to an overfocus on the area, but I don't know if this is correct. In any case, the alien ideas doesn't sound very plausible to me

Well, I would have to refer to some of my books to get the statistics of the place. But I believe that you are right that the mystery of the accidents have made the Bermuda Triangle infamous. I think there are places that have had countless shipwrecks. I know the Great Lakes have had a number of victoms, like the Edmond Fitzgerald that was lost without a trace in the 70's. They finally figured that mystery out a couple years ago. Interesting story.

I think the coastline of any general rocky area is deadly to ships throughout history.

Originally posted by Tybaltus
I know the Great Lakes have had a number of victoms, like the Edmond Fitzgerald that was lost without a trace in the 70's. They finally figured that mystery out a couple years ago. Interesting story.

I am not familiar with that one, please tell me, what did people believe and what happened really?

Originally posted by Tybaltus
I admire Gwally a lot because he is an archaeologist. A job that I have been interested in because I love history and ruins.

Thanks, but don't admire me too much! Its not all its cracked up to be, at least the field I'm in.

Originally posted by Gwalchmai
Thanks, but don't admire me too much! Its not all its cracked up to be, at least the field I'm in.

So the women aren't fainting around you when they see your handsome, masculine Indiana Jones-appearance? And you don't do a major discovery of a lost culture every second year or so?

Ah. OK. The Edmund Fitzgerald was a HUGE cargo ship. The pride of the the freight ships of the Great Lakes. On night it was travelling in a heavy lightning storm. They immediately realized it was going to be bad. There was another ship in the immediate area and they decided to travel together across Lake Superior so that they could report conditions to eachother and be there in case of emergency. Both captains knew this storm was going to be bad, but neither realized it was going to be as bad as it truly was. The waves became increasingly worse as time passed and often times caused problems through communication and control. Well everything seemed to be in control. But all of a sudden the Edmund Fitzgerald just disappears from the RADAR of the ship that was travelling with it. And this happened within a split second. They tried radio contact and got nothing. The captain did all he could to try to figure out what happened to the Edmund Fitzgerald. But it soon became a fight for his own life and the lives of the crew of that ship so they had to proceed to their destination. They hoped they would find the Edmund Fitzgerald at the dock when they arrived, but it never came. It took over 15 years to figure out what happened to the EF and its 10 or so crewmen. No one was exactly sure where she disappeared. So the search was extensive and no ship was found for a while. So then rumors started about aliens and other rediculous theories.

Well a couple years ago, they found the wreckage, so the rumors about the aliens dissappeared and abduction was too, because they found the remains of one of the crewmen. Apparently what happened was there was a giant wave that eat up the EF instantly. It was that bad a storm and she sunk almost instantly.

Ill try to find a link for you. This is basically all I really recall of the story. I think I summed it up pretty well. Maybe I missed something small, but you get the idea.

Originally posted by Gwalchmai
Thanks, but don't admire me too much! Its not all its cracked up to be, at least the field I'm in.

It still must be a thrill to find artifacts. I mean I know there must be long days in there, but I find it to be a very interesting line of work. Something that really makes you think about history.

Oops. My conclusion is partly right. The Edmund Fitzgerald was already taking on water, so it was slightly sinking and then there was a large wave that delivered the deathblow. The heavy cargo it was carrying also contributed and there were 29 crewmen that died on the ship. And there are still many theories circling around about the sinking, so it isnt proven.

For more in depth info go to:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.html

For pictures of what the ship looked like and a little bit of background go to:
http://www.duluthshippingnews.com/edfitzpics.html

Thanks @Tyb for the story and the links, it is amazing that such a large ship could go down so fast

The human mind is really annoying sometimes, as soon as an immediate explanation for something is not at hand, people start to figure out their own mysterious, often highly speculative and scandalous explanations. I think we humans have a real problem with not fully controlling and understanding everything that goes on around us.

Originally posted by C Elegans
Thanks @Tyb for the story and the links, it is amazing that such a large ship could go down so fast

The human mind is really annoying sometimes, as soon as an immediate explanation for something is not at hand, people start to figure out their own mysterious, often highly speculative and scandalous explanations. I think we humans have a real problem with not fully controlling and understanding everything that goes on around us.

Would it be fair to say that we try to figure out the unsolved by using the unkown? That just dawned on me, there. I just love hearing some of the immediate explinations, though. They are so far-fetched.

Yes that was a big old ship, alright, thats probably a major reason why it is so well known around here. Disappearing in a matter of seconds is just increadible. I mean the Titanic sunk in under 3 hours, which is VERY short. The Lusitania, basically only a little bit smaller sunk in 17 minutes. Its scary to think about and very difficult to realize the tragic loss.

Well Im afraid I should go. Its been nice talking to you CE. See you later.