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[Darth Zenemij]

[QUOTE=Darth Trahus]HK could not have been created by Revan. The LucasArts site says that HK existed before Revan too. However, Revan may have wiped HK's memory and placed that memory in him.[/QUOTE]


I would like to see this peice of information for my self. If I am not mistaken, malak was also there wneh revan built HK, so malak witniced the creation of HK 47.

[KyLewin]

HK could not have been created by Revan. The LucasArts site says that HK existed before Revan too. However, Revan may have wiped HK's memory and placed that memory in him.

This is not at all what the LucasArts site says.

The HK model was rumored to have been created by Czerka Corporation to eliminate the heads of rival companies. Units such as these were quite capable of laying waste to an entire building in an effort to dispose of a single target. This wanton carnage, combined with the tendency of the droid's previous owners to come to rather gruesome ends, has led most civilized planets to issue explicit bans on all HK-model assassin droids.
But there was more to HK-47 than that. In truth, HK-47 belonged to Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith. Revan gave HK-47 the programming necessary to make the droid fluent in the difficult language of Tatooine's Sand People. It was HK-47 that helped Revan locate the ancient Star Forge map on Tatooine. To cover these tracks, Revan wiped the droid's memory of those events; ironically, the Sith Lord's memories would be wiped too.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/hk47/index.html

I suppose the argument could be made that that first paragraph gives the impression that HK was built by Czerka, but it is never explicitly said. Also, the fact that no one knows what sort of droid HK-47 is leads me to believe that if nothing else, he was custome made for Revan. Saying that he was given a memory wipe and then had the memories of Revan building him implanted is a cheap way out...what purpose could it possibly serve for Revan to implant this memory into HK? The droid's already completely loyal to him, nothing is gained from it.

Now then...as for why I would prefer it if Revan were to return in the third game, the reason is simple: the games revolve around him/her. Like it or not, the first one was all about Revan and in the second one, most of the characters were attached to Revan in some way, shape, or form. Killing him or having him just be gone would be on par with killing Luke or Anakin Skywalker in their respective trilogies.
I understand that it would be difficult to have him/her as the main character because of all the possible options that have been given to us throughout the games, but it is by no means impossible. It would only take almost no time at all to tell the game which face and what-not you used for both games anyway and then the game would start and you wouldn't think about it anymore. A few quick screens where you pick Revan's face/gender/10-15 force powers/LS or DS ending and then it's done, another few screens where you do the same thing for the Exile (plus giving him/her a name) and then you're into the game. A minute, maybe two and then it's over with. Most of us spent longer than that in timeouts as children and somehow we survived. Plus, after 20-30 hours of game play, you won't even hardly remember it.
I've read more than a couple complaints about him being too powerful, but frankly that's a terrible reason for wanting him gone. How powerful he is is all relative to the enemies he's fighting. A level twenty character getting his ass handed to him by a level 30 enemy isn't going to feel very powerful, even if he did give Malak a smack down. Besides, solution to this problem is obvious, simply have your enemies level up as you do (a la many of the final fantasy games). It'll make the game difficult (or at least a little more difficult) and let you have any of the previous characters return without some sort of catastrophic thing happening to bring everyone back to level one. Besides, when did Revan or the Exile fight enemies that were really hard to beat? I got through the first planet in Kotor I on level two and finished every single possible quest. These games weren't exactly popular because of their difficulty.
I've also heard that he would be a boring character because we've all been there and done that and RPG players don't want to play as the same character over and over. Well, clearly s/he is a character that many players are still plenty interested in because so many still want to play as him/her.
In most RPGs, the story ends when you finish the game, the world/prince(ss)/kingdom/whatever is saved and you live happily ever after (or whatever the ending leads you to). No one cares about the character they built up anymore because that person's fate has been decided as far as we know. However, if a character does not really win at the end of a game and there was a "to be continued" I would be surprised if most people didn't go out and get the next game as well (I know I would). The end of Kotor didn't really have a "to be continued," but from the sequel we know that all did not end well for Revan (or for the Exile really). The story isn't done, so I doubt anyone will mind playing as Revan again (naysayers on this thread being the exception, obviously ).
Of course, this all could have been avoided if Kotor II had not been so closely tied to the first one, but now that those cards have been dealt, the next game has no choice but to tie up the loose ends so that the game after it can be about something other than Revan or better yet take place in a different time period.

So, long winded post made short, Revan has to come back because it's his/her story just as the Original Trilogy was Luke's story and the Prequel Trilogy was Anakin's. Whether or not s/he is playable is debatable I guess, but there must be a pretty big return and not just a passing mention of him/her.

[Revan_Reborn225]

Revan is the most powerful Jedi of his time. His ability to use the Force as well as his 'saber skills make him incredibly formidable and exciting to play with or as. I just don't think he should come back in the third game because it would get too complicated; same with the Exile.

[yoyopogo104]

[QUOTE=Revan_Reborn225]Revan is the most powerful Jedi of his time. His ability to use the Force as well as his 'saber skills make him incredibly formidable and exciting to play with or as. I just don't think he should come back in the third game because it would get too complicated; same with the Exile.[/QUOTE]

everyone talks about how complicated it would be to bring the exile and revan back, but really all it takes is some extra questions, masks, and a little creativity (as mentioned by others in some of the other threads). bioware and obsidian got into this revan-exile mess. they can get themselves out of it, and not bringing them back doesnt count. thats way too easy theyll figure it out, dontchya think?

[Klipsch_V]

Having caracters that can't change when you add different items too them like Mandalore, Kreia, Visas, and the Wookies just sucks. If your main character was like that, I would just give up on the game all together. Whats the fun in having a game where you add items like masks and outfits if it doesn't really change their apperence.

Thats the reason they can't bring Reven or The Exile back as main characters, it would ruin the whole point of the fetures in the game.

[Darth Zenemij]

[QUOTE=Klipsch_V]Having caracters that can't change when you add different items too them like Mandalore, Kreia, Visas, and the Wookies just sucks. If your main character was like that, I would just give up on the game all together. Whats the fun in having a game where you add items like masks and outfits if it doesn't really change their apperence.

Thats the reason they can't bring Reven or The Exile back as main characters, it would ruin the whole point of the fetures in the game.[/QUOTE]


Ok basicly its like watching a movie about a hero that does so much and was so much, then something changes the heros life and he does something that was so amazing that he will be remembered in history for ever beacuse of it, but the movie left off with him on a the way to another mission. In other words, the exile and revan have unfinished buisness with the plot.

[fable]

[QUOTE=Klipsch_V]Having caracters that can't change when you add different items too them like Mandalore, Kreia, Visas, and the Wookies just sucks. If your main character was like that, I would just give up on the game all together. Whats the fun in having a game where you add items like masks and outfits if it doesn't really change their apperence.
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In the gameplay involved in the characters actual use of the weapons? In the conversations? In the actual success during battle (not that the KotoR series offered anything other than braindead AI, but...)?

[Alcina]

It seems to me that the most obvious use of Revan and/or the Exile would be as 'the main villain to fight at the end'. This would satisfy people's wish to see them again and tie up the loose ends.

All that would be needed was a conversation choice to establish the sex and alignment of each of those characters. Then if one or both was set to DS, that character would turn out to be the ubervillain. If both were set to LS, then a new character would be the ubervillain. It needn't be too complex; just a matter of a few dialogue scenes for each one and a different skin for the ubervillain for each option. The general actions of the ubervillain could stay the same whoever they were.

What think ye, Revan/exile fans?

[marten0305]

I think thats one of the best ideas yet that would be an excellent and interesting story, i prefer Revan because i figure Revan's be stronger since Revan's been around longer Revan's got more experience then the exile so Revan will be more of a challenge to defeat.

[xa-r01]

I think the real story of Revan is his redemption. The option to go female and DS is just for the sake of the game. Imagine Lucas wants to make Kotor into a feature movie, I bet Revan will be male and LS. The LS story have more logic, intrigue, conflict, and drama. Think about what Malak said before he died. "I wonder what would it be if our position was turned, can I returned to the light as you?" At that point, I felt sorry for Malak because I (read: Revan) was the one who lead him to the star forge which eventually corrupted both of Revan and Malak. And from the story of the Star Forge, we know that Star Forge was the thing that corrupted jedi Revan and Malak because it is a tool of the dark side (even though the Rakatans themself didn't have the concept of "Force").

From the above point, i was hoping Kotor2 continuing the journey of Revan. Since its not, then I was hoping Kotor3 will. Just load up the old savegame or for new gamer start at level 15 (like Neverwinter Nights expansion pack) and forget about "what if my revan was female/male DS and kill bastila/carth". Assuming that Revan is a male/female LS and bastila/carth not killed would be more easier to expanded the story to whole new level.

So that Revan can come back on Kotor3, my points are:
1. Load Kotor1 savegame. If you want a new game, choose Revan face and gender and start at level 20. People's life didnt stop just because they became a god-like fighter. You still have to deal with friends, new enemies, new problems, new mystery, and tougher opponent than you. Remember, there's always someone stronger than the strongest one.
2. Assume that Revan is LS so bastila and carth are definetely alive.
3. Perhaps the exile from KotorII can become a sith lord since he/she ended up at level 50 at the end of 2nd game?

just my 2 cents. few things I want to add, but I forgot. maye later. c yaa.

[Darth_Juro]

Problems with Revan and the Exile comming back.


Revan: Strongest Force User in the Universe....bringing him back as a PC would make him overpowered throughout the entire game.

Exile: Wound in the Force...was Exiled and lost connection to the force. Able to feel the force again only through Kriea. Kriea being dead now his connection would logically be gone. Also Exile's face and gender was chosen by player.....bringing him/her back would be impossible as very few people had the same face playing as the Exile. Revan could come back as a NPC though cause of the mask and whatnot and you could hear about the Exile but as for him/her comming back is impossible in that sense.

[xa-r01]

About Revan as strongest force user, already answered by my previous post.

About faces?
If Kotor III is using the same engine or even a new one, it can still read the needed data from the savegames and continue the story from there. The important things are gender and face right? So, just updated the face from Kotor I and II into new texture for the new engine, along with new original faces if needed for new comer.

About exile?
Ok, perhaps not as boss. since Kreia dead and we assume exile lost his powers again, perhaps he could just become our party member? it will be interesting story about exile after kreia dead. whether he lost his power or keep it or even dead along with kreia (remember kreia hands?)

And just in case someone still asking about "what about my DS revan?":
As for LS/DS, I already told you in my previous post. Just assume Revan get LS ending so the story didn't become complicated just because DS ending you get on Kotor I. I mean seriously people, if we continue the story of revan from the point of DS ending, that will become a whole new story far apart from story continued from LS ending. Very different, like 2 alternate realities. Reborn of the old republic OR Reborn of the Sith Empire? since DS Revan and Bastila along with Star Forge are invincible.
And just because KotorIII assume you get LS ending that didn't mean you can't start the game as dark side Revan. You still have your LS/DS points and offcourse your Sith face.

[xa-r01]

Guys, I think one of the reason BioWare refuse to make KotorII is because the story of revan is done. Just like James Cameron refuse to make another Terminator movie because the story is done.

Obsidian made a mistake creating KotorII. It shouldn't about Revan, but about new story and new PC. The Exar Kun war or the Great Sith War or the Mandalorian war would become interesting story. Instead they made the story continued from I only with new PC/NPC. The story of KotorII is like the story of Terminator 3, it shouldn't exist but it exist. and it ruins everything.

so now people want to see what become of Revan since K2 open a possibility for new story of Revan (and exile).

if we should have new PC instead of Revan (dont care about exile), I want it to be whole new story. just forget K2 ever existed. or just think of it as alternate realities.

[marten0305]

First George Lucas is not going give permission to anyone to make another movie (he said himself) he feels that he finished what he started but i disagree because they never finished off the clone army of the Empire i know it explains it in the novels but i think they should make 3 more movies to finish off the story but Lucas has made it clear that thats not happening.

Second Exile can return they just have to use a little imagination like exile got into serious accident where he got so scared or injured that he has to use a mask.

Last they gone on about the True Sith enough they should make the next story about them and the battle between them and Revan. (and exile of coarse)

[fable]

[QUOTE=xa-r01]Guys, I think one of the reason BioWare refuse to make KotorII is because the story of revan is done. Just like James Cameron refuse to make another Terminator movie because the story is done.[/QUOTE]

I'd find it hard to believe that any large media developer/publisher would refuse to make a potentially best-selling title because of literary reasons. As an acquaintance of mine who worked for 20 years for several such companies once put it, the accounting department makes the decisions about what gets done. As they didn't do KotoR2, it's likely Lucasarts didn't offer it to them; or if they did, and it was turned down, it's because they were already working all-out on other projects. Bioware's been very careful about growth. Too many companies in their position have let success balloon their staff size, and they've imploded within a few years.

[marten0305]

Well said i guess thats the end of that arguement

[Sudarium]

Just throwing this out there at random...

-I think the main reason people want Revan back is because that's the first character they played as in the KotOR series. As a result, they get a little attached. Who doesn't pick out a favorite character in any game they play...especially if it's one you customized to fit yourself?

My personal opinion is that the goal of KotOR III should be to find Revan and the Exile in the unknown regions...you hear so much about them, I would like to actually explore them...perhaps just as a typical Jedi on a mission, with a sudden plot twist?

-The other reason people want Revan back is because they want the whole history of what's been going on since the end of KotOR I. You finish the first one as Revan, either dark lord of doom or savior of the Republic, and in the sequel the mighty Revan has disappeared? People want to play as Revan because (ideally) it would give them more of an insight as to what happened to Revan in all that time...

I think, however, that you can still learn all of that without necessarily playing as Revan. I'm not sure what a good idea it would be to bring Revan back, anyway... we each had our own custom Revan, so how could the game designers bring Revan back to each person's satisfaction?

If they brought Revan back as a male, I would be disconcerted. I played the game through the first time as a light side female, and that's how I remember Revan...a woman. But the canonical Revan is male, so just step on female gamers everywhere? That wouldn't go so well for sales, I think.

It's more out of nostalgia and curiosity about the storyline that people want Revan back... not because they're thinking about the playability of the game.

And I've said more than enough. I'm much too long-winded. ::blushes::

[Phreddie]

The only way I would wish to see Revan back as a party member is if you pick him up about half way through the game (depending on leveling, oyu would get him at level 20 but would be yours to level from lvl 5 to 20 so as to fit your old revan, alignment would be chosen later).

I also owuldnt mind seeing Jorak Uln (the odl master of Uthar Wynn of the Sith Academy on Korriban in KOTOR 1) and a few other of the minor charachters, a return of the Selkath and maybe a few new races in the unkown regions, sort of like the Gorons from Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (minor rant: Didn't the Selkath remind you of the zoras? especially that music thet played in ahto... if you played the game atleast you might know what im talking about.

Back to Revan, unless you pick him up alive in the UNkown regions at lvl 20, when you and your team are ata a comprable level, he will always wear a mask to get rid of facial issues, or you find his body in the unkown regions, and can loot Revans Robes, Revans Mask, and Revans Saber, along with a datapad that giives directions and coordinates to a TS planet... but thats for the possible stories thread.

[marten0305]

It would be disapointing to see Revan return as a playable character because Revan would be too powerful i mean think about how could anyone lose their power unless he was mind whiped again but i'm not sure how anybody could fit that one in again. So basicly the bottom line is i dont think Revan should return as a playable character, but with that said i would still like to see Revan return as a NPC.

[Quinlan]

it's more because revan had an important role in kotor I as (maybe) the most powerful guy in the howl galaxy. and in kotor II u hear revan everywhere... reven did that, reven did this... that combined with the things kreia says about reven makes u feel that revem is so "cool". a true thing is that reven will probably be found or known dead in kotor III and we'll have to play some one else. I hope they think of someone more important than revan or exile, if not, of someone much less important then those two, like a simple man of a simple village on a far far away planet. the all so powerful and all so wonderfull hero kinda bores me to death. and no more memory losses pls, I'm sick of it