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Please, I, who have only written 150-odd messages, press you to explain why some religions ( ie.Christianity) are better and truer than others. Please.Originally posted by EMINEM:
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NOTE: I use Bhaalism as as extreme example. I could have easily used Buddhism, Judaism or Islam to make my point that some religions (ie. Christianity) are better and truer than others, but I do not want to start another debate on this issue unless pressed to do so.</STRONG>
".I guess soldiers have been killing other soldiers quite a bit; I believe it is called war."
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@Eminem, that doesn't deal with the issue of Bauer's comprehension of "paganism" as he perceives it within the context of pre-monotheistic times, which was my point. To quote myself:Eminem writes:
I assume Bauer was using the word Pagan the way I understand it - as a slang to label non-Christians and (contextually) as any one of the pantheistic nature religions scattered throughout the Roman Empire before (and after) Christianity became its state religion.
It has absolutely nothing to do with any "supremacy of the strong," Nor could there be a "return" or "going back" to such a condition, because it was no more a feature of the pre-monotheistic "Ancient World" than it is of the modern one.
So Bauer's comprehension of both a "pagan world" and a monotheistic one is demonstrably inaccurate. There was no more a supremacy of the strong in, say, 800 BC, than there was in 1000 AD, or now, and absolutely no discernable difference in government policies within a non-monotheistic
and a monotheistic world. I think his error (and with respect, yours) arises from concluding that forms of religious faith dictate government policy. I would suggest that people determine these matters, and partake of available accepted religion whatever will apparently support their own personal, party and/or cultural agendas.
But to get back to Bauer, no, he's factually incorrect. There was no "supremacy of the strong" in a pagan Meditteranean/midEast, anymore than there is, today, under monotheistic regimes.
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Originally posted by Fezek:
<STRONG>Please, I, who have only written 150-odd messages, press you to explain why some religions ( ie.Christianity) are better and truer than others. Please.</STRONG>
Good question Fezek. I would have the asked the same question if you hadn't beaten me to it.
@fezek: m&m is constantly trying to convert people to his belief, quoting the Bible, and starting religous debates that end up in a flame fest.
This is the same debate that was in "Internet is the root of all evil" and "China's olympic bid".
M&M is just another thick headed religious fanatic.
I don't see hw Christianity is a better truer religon than others.
Christianity was one of the causes for the fall of the Roman Empire(which was one of the better ages in Europe) and the cause for Europe to go back into the stone age, after the fall. How's Christianty better here. It healped ruin of the greatest empires ever, and put Europe into the Dark Ages. Hwo's that make Christianity better than any other religion.
The Native Americans were all killed mostly due to small pox, but what remained of their culture, was destroyed and they were forced to convert to Christianity.
Like C.Elegans said, Stalin killed of all the people that would oppose him(which was alot).
This topic is never going to end is it?
I believe Jeasus said that one should not harm others, or something like that.
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@Thorin, I'm not suggesting you leave--in fact, I'd rather you didn't. I'm just feeling that the debate is better when we're all not yelling at one another, because then the smoke doesn't conceal everything else. Please, stick around. 
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@Fezek, you're being silly.
Thorin's not offended by you. You're a good addition to SYM. He's concerned at losing his cool over Eminem's posts. 
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Me, silly! What a ludicrass idea! You do realise that only my partner is allowed to call me (in sean connery accent) shilly!Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>@Fezek, you're being silly.Thorin's not offended by you. You're a good addition to SYM. He's concerned at losing his cool over Eminem's posts.
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".I guess soldiers have been killing other soldiers quite a bit; I believe it is called war."
Sorry, Fezek, but I just don't have the time to respond clearly and sufficiently to the inevitable rebuttals and flames such a discussion will inspire. Right now, I have enough problems responding to Elegans and fable! If the topic interests you, however, I would recommend you peruse the book of Hebrews, which addresses the Christian/Originally posted by Fezek:
<STRONG>@Eminem-san.. I'm still interested in you r opinions on "A" is better and truer than "B".
Please.</STRONG>
Judaic super-sessionism head-on, replete with references from the Old Testament.
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No matter how true this statement might be, it is a bit to inflammatory, you may disagree with Eminems post but there is no reason to insult him, everyone is entitled to their opinion now matter how much it disagrees with your own ideology.Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
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M&M is just another thick headed religious fanatic.
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That said you are all Donkey Fiddlers!
I'd have to get drunk every night and talk about virility...And those Pink elephants I'd see.
That's not fair! You edited that post! You said you would if I got seven others to ask you to explain what you mean by "A" is better and truer than"B". Be a sport. that is what this board is all about.Originally posted by EMINEM:
<STRONG>Sorry, Fezek, but I just don't have the time to respond clearly and sufficiently to the inevitable rebuttals and flames such a discussion will inspire. Right now, I have enough problems responding to Elegans and fable! If the topic interests you, however, I would recommend you peruse the book of Hebrews, which addresses the Christian/
Judaic super-sessionism head-on, replete with references from the Old Testament.
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".I guess soldiers have been killing other soldiers quite a bit; I believe it is called war."