Blades - Poll on ranks

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Tue Aug 07, 2001 5:04 pm

Perhaps dualing isn't the only way. Maybe a first rank thief does something big (bring in alot of money for the guild, assasinate a rival guild leader, save their group from death...), and gets a promotion. The Senior members (Shadow master and High Thieves) decide wether or not to demote a HT and promote the normal thief.

Meerlight · Post by **Meerlight** » Tue Aug 07, 2001 6:32 pm

The Duel option may not be the best choice for some wings. Gaxx's idea sounds cool. For some wings dueling may be a problem because some characters (rogues, clerics, mages) are not always meant to be war machines. Rougues may have more points in disarming traps than hiding in shadows (to backstab) and this leaves an unfair disadvantage to those who fall into support roles. (abjurers and clerics with lots of heal spells for example)

Another problem with dueling is the different classes in the wings. For example in the divine wing Paladins and Clerics would duel which would leave the cleric at a disadvantage (in my mind at least) or the monk at a disadvantage against a fighter in the Warrior wing.

Overall I think promotions to high thief etc. should be handled by wing leaders and promotins to wing leader should be decided by the council of 5. If a wing leader resigns, the council will choose a new leader. Anyway thats just my 2 cents.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Tue Aug 07, 2001 8:13 pm

i don't like the rank names we came up for fighters to miltary for me though i know fighters are mostly miltary i just don't feel like being lieuntant or canon fodder.
maybe like some of theses would be good names:

-BattleMaster,FieldMaster,Greater Sword,Conqueror,BladeMaster,or Platinium Blade for leader of fighter wing
-Right Hand,High Blade,Silver/Gold Blade,or High Guardian for second in commands
-Followers,Lesser Blade,or Copper/Bronze Blade for lower ranks

Meerlight · Post by **Meerlight** » Tue Aug 07, 2001 8:20 pm

@Nikolai: that is better discussed in the fighter wing thread, personally i like the idea of having (insert favorite weapon) Master as a rank. Like Blade Master or Bow Master or Axe Master.

PS: Does the board type look bigger all of a sudden? or is it just me?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 12:04 am

Originally posted by Meerlight:

PS: Does the board type look bigger all of a sudden? or is it just me?

Read my reply in the GB forum.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 12:15 am

Originally posted by Meerlight:
The Duel option may not be the best choice for some wings. Gaxx's idea sounds cool. For some wings dueling may be a problem because some characters (rogues, clerics, mages) are not always meant to be war machines. Rougues may have more points in disarming traps than hiding in shadows (to backstab) and this leaves an unfair disadvantage to those who fall into support roles. (abjurers and clerics with lots of heal spells for example)

So you mean that a rogue can't dual a rogue,
and an abjurer (uuh - you gonna see my guy, when he levels a couple of time

) can dual another mage?

Originally posted by Meerlight:

Another problem with dueling is the different classes in the wings. For example in the divine wing Paladins and Clerics would duel which would leave the cleric at a disadvantage (in my mind at least) or the monk at a disadvantage against a fighter in the Warrior wing.

A cleric can pray for other spells from his deity. A cleric that knows he the next day will fight a paladin has some chance to preapre. I don't see this as a problem, if the clerical spells doesn't change much from BG2. (remember that magical weapons/equiptment will not be scatter all around the place in NwN MP) And if not - you could state some extra rules for such a duel.

Originally posted by Meerlight:

Overall I think promotions to high thief etc. should be handled by wing leaders and promotins to wing leader should be decided by the council of 5. If a wing leader resigns, the council will choose a new leader. Anyway thats just my 2 cents.

Well my main though was that this would create some form of competition with PvP. How else do you improve your character Play. I find it extremely challeging if I were to battle a Fighter/Mage - but I would most certainly not back out of it. Also a cleric agains a Paladin - I'd might just start a cleric just to do this

This other way you mention, I feel it would be bad if you couldn't "get rid"(

)/demote a guild-wing leader unless he resings from the position.

As for the idea of promotion when you do something good for the guild, well I fear that this will be very hard to do, we need to remember that it isn't BG2 we are playing, I don't think money and equiptment will be scattered around the country-side.

Anyway - bring on the ideas.

Again I ask, have people found out something with rank (numbers and names) - I see people giving themselves ranks(??)

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 3:32 am

I'm sorry to say this but I think there could be a problem with duals. If the challenger loses after 14 days he would challenge again, 14 days pass challenge again etc. If the holder loses he would do the same until he got it back. Besides don't people think it is unfair to get demoted if your opponent gets a critical hit or something? I think votes work better. The only way to get demoted should be if you do something wrong. I mean, come on, don't tell me you wouldn't be pissed if Mr X hits a critical when you have pouneded on him and you die? It's unfair in my opinion.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 3:45 am

But when would you vote, how often would you vote, what criterias would you use decide wich people to vote on and to what rank, who would get to vote.?

I'm not supporting one over another sytem, I just feel we need to carefully plan these advancment

But this again is dependend on how many ranks we make

If we only have a few ranks, then the need for a massive advancement system isen't that great

[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Xandax ]

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 4:26 am

I think that all members should be considered for promotion every month aswell as demotion. Each wing leader brings forth details on a member that may deserve promotion or demotion and the council looks at the past merits or failures of said person. This way it is fair, you can only get demoted for doing something wrong and promoted for doing well. The council could be re-voted every 2 months. If one council member gets voted out the wing votes in a new leader. This way people know who the person is and it is their decision. What do people think? I can refine this if need be.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 4:36 am

I hate to be the wing-leader demoting a member due to a vote

But your suggestion is fine with me

@Nippy: do you know anything about if ranks have been name and if so how many ranks there will be.?

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:32 am

Regrettably not much. I know the rogue wing are operating High Thief promotion as first come, first serve. But thats about it. I think we should have 3 ranks for everyone.

1 wing leader
5 second in commands (distribute info etc)
The rest as foot soldiers etc

This would eliminate any arguments over ranks and would make promotion easier. eg 1 person from the foot soldiers does good work, one from the secondm in command does something wrong, a vote ensues and it is decided that it should be promoted. Maybe instead of 3 we could do 4. I don't know, I'll let other people think about it.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:37 am

Yeah - I agree with that.
Maybe we should just stop it at this:
1 guild-wing leader
5 underlings
rest under-underlings

This way we get a simple organisation, and could always develop it futher as we get bigger

(not if, but when

)

[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Xandax ]

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:59 am

I first apollogize for my lazyness but all the posts in here are going so fast now that it is hard to follow (when I have to work as well)

where are we gonna fight, Neverwinter night??

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 6:31 am

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ okay it is not going THAT fast

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 6:51 am

Originally posted by Garcia:
I first apollogize for my lazyness but all the posts in here are going so fast now that it is hard to follow (when I have to work as well)

where are we gonna fight, Neverwinter night??

Well if you're asking about the release date??
No one knows

- most speculation is around december - feburary.

But we can meet and fight in BG when I get back from vacation

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:32 am

How about this. If someone from any a given wing has promblems with the Wing leader, they take that too the council. Then the council discusses it. The person must make a reasonable claim as to what is wrong with the Wing leader, and the leader may give explainations. I personannly think, and this is not becaus I'm a wing leader, that if we have people switching the leadership role every few weeks, it would lead to weak, and possibly unloyal leadership.

@Nippy: I like your idea for lower promotion.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:32 am

Originally posted by Xandax:


Again I ask, have people found out something with rank (numbers and names) - I see people giving themselves ranks(??)

The Rogue guild is in an uproar about ranks.

I'm to the point of having...1 Shadow Master ...500+ High Thieves and no other rank.

I have started a poll asking all of the Rogues if this is what they want...( I don't see the fun in it...but I'm not going to argue.)

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:39 am

Originally posted by Weasel:
The Rogue guild is in an uproar about ranks. I'm to the point of having...1 Shadow Master ...500+ High Thieves and no other rank.

I have started a poll asking all of the Rogues if this is what they want...( I don't see the fun in it...but I'm not going to argue.)

*LOL* - I think the easiest way is to say 1 guild-wing leader and 5 lower levels (ei. High Thieves or Simple Pick Pocekt

) and the rest something else.

Like Nippy said above somewhere

mikeheitz · Post by **mikeheitz** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:39 am

Getting caught up here. Actually got some sleep last night! WOO HOO!!

I like the idea of voting on Wing leaders every couple of months. I am very much looking forward to being the wing leader of the Mage wing, but because of my schedule, if I am lacking and not doing as good a job as someone else could, I wouldn't want to hurt the wing. Also, it'll be nice to allow others a chance to lead. We'll get fresh ideas and everyone will enjoy the Guild that much more I think.

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:41 am

Originally posted by Xandax:

Well if you're asking about the release date??
No one knows - most speculation is around december - feburary.

But we can meet and fight in BG when I get back from vacation

bring it on

if I lose I just blame it on my modem and because you just got a new connection