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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 8:33 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by C Elegans
Thanks for explaining, SS. I have heard that SBC is the most conservative and fundamental church is the US, would you say this is correct? I'm however not sure of what values the SBC actually represents. In what ways does the fundamentalism express itself? The Baptist church in Sweden are among the most liberal churches AFAIK, so obviously they differ a lot from SBC. One of my cousin used to be a baptist, and the only thing I ever noticed that was special about the Swedish baptists were that they practised adult baptism. Apart from that, they were just like most free churches in Sweden, ie very liberal.
Well, it's not so much that Baptist practice adult baptism as Baptists don't baptize babies. I, myself, was baptized at the age of 7. It's a 'public profession of faith' that you go through after you become a Christian.
As for the SBC, I would agree that they are the most fundamental and conservative church in the US, though Church of Christ would probably be close in the running.
Various easily defined beliefs/values of the SBC:
1.)No Drinking
2.)No Dancing
3.)Cannot be an Ordained Minister of you have been Divorced
4.)King James Version of the Bible is the only true Bible
5.)Wives must submit to their husbands(they leave out the "and husbands love their wives part" when referring to this passage)
This is mostly found in the "traditional" southern baptists who are mostly old and dying out(from old age).
I'm having trouble thinking straight enough to explain anymore at this time. If you have any other questions, though I'd be happen to answer them once my brain starts thinking a bit straighter.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 8:55 pm
by oki101
Well I thought so....
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (90%)
3. Atheism and Agnosticism (84%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (77%)
5. Liberal Quaker (66%)
6. Neo-Paganism (55%)
7. Liberal Protestant (51%)
8. New Thought (42%)
9. Scientology (42%)
10. New Age (39%)
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (38%)
12. Taoism (37%)
13. Mahayana Buddhism (36%)
14. Reform Judaism (33%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (24%)
16. Sikhism (24%)
17. Conservative Protestant (19%)
18. Bahá'í (15%)
19. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
20. Hinduism (15%)
21. Islam (15%)
22. Jainism (15%)
23. Jehovah's Witness (15%)
24. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (15%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (15%)
26. Roman Catholic (15%)
27. Seventh Day Adventist (3%)
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 9:05 pm
by Shadow Sandrock
Well Oki, your arm can join us at the Quaker Mansion, that's about a fourth of you

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 9:19 pm
by Der-draigen
LMAO, I never knew
1. Sikhism (100%)
2. Baha'i (98%)
3. Liberal Quaker (89%)
4. Jainism (87%)
5. Unitarian Universalism (86%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (84%)
7. Neo-Paganism (82%)
8. Reform Judaism (82%)
9. Liberal Protestant (76%)
10. Theravada Buddhism (74%)
11. Hinduism (72%)
12. New Age (72%)
13. Islam (69%)
14. Orthodox Judaism (69%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (64%)
16. Taoism (63%)
17. Secular Humanism (55%)
18. Scientology (54%)
19. New Thought (53%)
20. Conservative Protestant (47%)
21. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (47%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (42%)
23. Roman Catholic (42%)
24. Atheism and Agnosticism (39%)
25. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (39%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (23%)
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 9:28 pm
by Aragorn Returns
these seems pretty acurate as i am mormon
1. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (100%)
2. Jehovah's Witness (93%)
3. Conservative Protestant (69%)
4. Liberal Protestant (68%)
5. Bahá'í (67%)
6. Orthodox Judaism (63%)
7. Islam (51%)
8. Sikhism (50%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (47%)
10. Reform Judaism (47%)
11. Liberal Quaker (47%)
12. Eastern Orthodox (45%)
13. Roman Catholic (45%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (42%)
15. Seventh Day Adventist (40%)
16. Unitarian Universalism (37%)
17. Jainism (34%)
18. Hinduism (29%)
19. Mahayana Buddhism (23%)
20. New Thought (23%)
21. Theravada Buddhism (22%)
22. Neo-Paganism (22%)
23. New Age (21%)
24. Secular Humanism (17%)
25. Scientology (13%)
26. Taoism (12%)
27. Atheism and Agnosticism (11%)
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 9:45 pm
by fable
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 10:08 pm
by C Elegans
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn
I'm having trouble thinking straight enough to explain anymore at this time. If you have any other questions, though I'd be happen to answer them once my brain starts thinking a bit straighter.
Thanks SS, I can't think now either, but I will certainly post some more questions later.
posted by Der-draigen
1. Sikhism (100%)
That's quite surprising
(Since you were surprised yourself, I take it you don't have Sikh cultural background.)
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 10:46 pm
by Alienbob
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn
3.)Cannot be an Ordained Minister of you have been Divorced
Really? my dads getting ordained at a baptist church this sunday and he's divorced and remarried.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 10:52 pm
by VoodooDali
The Secular Humanists are starting to edge out the Unitarian Universalists...
1. Unitarian Universalists: Ysh, Gwally, Beldin, T'lainya, craig, Thorin, AbysmalNature
2. Secular Humanists: Aegis, Waverly, CE, Mysteria, Georgi, oki101
3. Conservative Protestants: Sailor Saturn, Eminem, Alienbob
4. Orthodox Quakers: CM, Kayless
5. Liberal Quakers: Sleepy, Me
6. Liberal Protestants: humanflyz, nael
7. Atheist/Agnostics: Silur, Mediev
8. Neopagans/Pagan Old Fart: Fable
9. Theraveda Buddhists: Minerva
10. Sikhs: Der-draigen
11. Mormons: Aragorn Returns
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 10:57 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by Alienbob
Really? my dads getting ordained at a baptist church this sunday and he's divorced and remarried.
Er...I didn't word that quite right. They can be ordained. It's just, the more traditional churches are likely to not call a person as pastor if they've been divorced.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:03 pm
by Alienbob
oh. well i dont think his church is very traditional.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:08 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by Alienbob
oh. well i dont think his church is very traditional.
That's cool. A lot of it depends on the church itself. Sometimes a more traditional church that doesn't like the fact that the guy's been divorced will still hire him if they feel that God wants them to hire him. But it's also something that can cause problems if they don't really like that the guy's been divorced. I've seen the problems it can cause...
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:23 pm
by Alienbob
well actually i dont even know if the church knows that he was divorced. my dad doesnt always tell the whole truth and normally lets people assume things. some people at the churh think that my dad and my step mom have been married for years and that i am their son. which really sucks because my stepmom is a complete b!tch and i dont want to have anything to do with her. ive had to explain to some people that my dad really isnt really as good on the inside as he is on the outside.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:29 pm
by fable
Originally posted by VoodooDali
8. Neopagans/Pagan Old Fart: Fable
Thank you. I can now moulder in peace.

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 12:02 am
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by Alienbob
well actually i dont even know if the church knows that he was divorced. my dad doesnt always tell the whole truth and normally lets people assume things. some people at the churh think that my dad and my step mom have been married for years and that i am their son. which really sucks because my stepmom is a complete b!tch and i dont want to have anything to do with her. ive had to explain to some people that my dad really isnt really as good on the inside as he is on the outside.
It would be better for the church to know he's divorced before hiring him. The problems it can cause are a lot worse if they find out after hiring him.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 1:55 am
by Krusader
Ok, here's mine:
1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Conservative Protestant (89%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (81%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (78%)
6. Jehovah's Witness (67%)
7. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (67%)
8. Hinduism (58%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (57%)
10. Liberal Protestant (54%)
11. Islam (50%)
12. Sikhism (37%)
13. Jainism (33%)
14. Liberal Quaker (32%)
15. Bahá'í (31%)
16. Unitarian Universalism (24%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (24%)
18. Theravada Buddhism (22%)
19. Reform Judaism (22%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (18%)
21. Neo-Paganism (14%)
22. Scientology (14%)
23. Atheism and Agnosticism (13%)
24. New Age (10%)
25. Secular Humanism (10%)
26. New Thought (9%)
27. Taoism (4%)
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 4:49 am
by Minerva
Originally posted by Georgi
I was confused over how to answer the questions though
So was I. I took the test again and got a slightly different result this morning.
I also had to think long before answering to the question about "Satan".

Satan is the one who's suffering most rather than causing in THIS particular world, I think.

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 8:30 am
by fable
Originally posted by Georgi
I was confused over how to answer the questions though
I'd quite like to know how Liberal Quaker gets placed higher than Atheism/Agnosticism, since it requires belief in a deity... And is "New Age" really a religion?!
I don't think the test's creators intended it to be taken as a serious measurement of one's personal values or religious beliefs. I see it more as a "Hey, kid, your views as you wrote 'em in ta the test are pretty much like a typical XXXXX, knowwhatImean?" So when I showed up with 100% neo-pagan, I had to laugh. After all, there were at least a good four questions that could have reflected my views just as well had I answered differently, and the priority system depends pretty much on how I felt at the time.
Humans have this weird genetic trait that kicks in whenever they take a test. They believe at once that it's scientifically determined, and the results are definitive.

But we're all mutable, just like our immediate parent, the universe. Our opinions shift a lot more according to mood, recent experience and environment than we normally credit. So if anybody is concerned that they're turning up with a very high Mahayana Buddhist outlook when they were supposed to be ordained this weekend as a Methodist deacon, and is now thinking as a result about selling the house and moving to an ashram...I wouldn't worry.

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 8:34 am
by frogus
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (92%)
3. Atheism and Agnosticism (78%)
4. Liberal Quaker (76%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (74%)
6. Neo-Paganism (69%)
7. Liberal Protestant (58%)
8. Mahayana Buddhism (48%)
9. Taoism (47%)
10. Reform Judaism (47%)
11. New Age (44%)
12. Sikhism (43%)
13. Hinduism (37%)
14. Jainism (36%)
15. Scientology (35%)
16. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (34%)
17. Orthodox Quaker (34%)
18. New Thought (32%)
19. Seventh Day Adventist (28%)
20. Conservative Protestant (27%)
21. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (26%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (25%)
23. Islam (25%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (25%)
25. Roman Catholic (25%)
26. Bahá'í (21%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (21%)
looks like I'm lumped into theological a boat with CE, Wankerly and Aegis....oh joy.

well no....CE aint so bad. Yeah...actually, I quite like Aegis. Yeah. well. Wankerly.
ps What are Baha'i?, Seventh Day Adventism, Scientology, New Age and Unitarian Universalism? I should probably know that last one, seeing as 92% of me is one, but I feel I'm missing soemthing.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2002 8:39 am
by fable
Originally posted by frogus
ps What are Baha'i?, Seventh Day Adventism, Scientology, New Age and Unitarian Universalism? I should probably know that last one, seeing as 92% of me is one, but I feel I'm missing soemthing.
After you've taken the test, just click on the hotlink in your "score" to take you to a webpage that will give some of the basic tenets of that faith/belief system. Don't expect much detail, but there's also a forum, and some links.