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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:04 pm
by Morlock
Originally posted by Gilgalen
"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003
Ahhhh, it's so great we have another Dan Quayle!
That's a classic Freudian slip, like Nancy Reagan's "Black children don't learn as fast as normal children" or The PM of Brazil's "We will introduce Democracy to Brazil, and whoever objects- we will kill, we will crush."
I have tons more where they came from.
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:15 pm
by RandomThug
Noooo, like I said WE. Period. Read again, please
It was argued after 9.11 that the US had it coming to them. After 50 years walzing around the planet dropping bombs on anyone who didn't agree with their way of life, someone finally struck back.
Right there.
@Coot yeah we did a lot good, we made our lives a little safer by blowin the hell outa training camps and such of the terrorists who claimed sept 11th thier work.
@Aegis I agree with you on that topic, that its a big cycle of violence. Only problem is your focusing on an aspect of this cycle of violence, the suppressing and "conquering" of a smaller country by a larger one. This doesn't always happen a lot of times the country's fight amongst themselves with out interrfearance. A lot of times other bigger countries have to come in to help, save lives be humanitarian.
@Moonbiter
The world will always be violent and filled with people who want to take your stuff, after the cold war there was no acceptance the vile villany that happend before the cold war still happens.
My two cents.
By brett
The world is run inevitably by two powers, both all powerful and thier true believers are fanatics.
Money and Religion. Money representing the new world and Religion represting the old world. These things can not in thier both extreme levels exist at the same time, one corrupts the other.
It is not a question of if either can get along but who will be around later.
Bretts two cents.
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:19 pm
by Aegis
@Aegis I agree with you on that topic, that its a big cycle of violence. Only problem is your focusing on an aspect of this cycle of violence, the suppressing and "conquering" of a smaller country by a larger one. This doesn't always happen a lot of times the country's fight amongst themselves with out interrfearance. A lot of times other bigger countries have to come in to help, save lives be humanitarian.
But doesn't this kind've go against the idea of a self governing nation? I personally think that a lot of this anti-american/anti-western culture opinions come from the fact we are always interfering with these smaller nations. If they ask for support, that's a somewhat different matter, but only in the eyes of those asking for help, and not the ones who the help would be against.
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:27 pm
by RandomThug
Aegis a lot of times it is at the command of others we go in, for Instance Haiti.
I have heard people asking why America there and that we shouldn't have intereferd, yet right as the coup began I saw interviews of people in Haiti and people representing the Government sayin "America should do more". Or when we went into Iran to help with aid for the earthquake... they needed help but as we leave they release a statement "this does not change thier policy" something of that matter. I lot of the times it is in the interest of other peoples profits we go in... how long ago was the first iraq war, that was for the benifits of the people saddam was gassing and such.
Your right we, among so many others, are not the nicest guys on the block when it comes to doing whats best for America. Current events show a little less faith in our ways, but we are not going to be invading iraq for the rest of America's existance. Man Ifeel like you said earliar I dont even know if I am making sense... Post back later...
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:51 pm
by Gilgalen
If you like that one, there are tons more:
“God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear.” -- Los Angeles, California, Mar. 3, 2004
Hey megalomaniac, you’re not Jesus…
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:52 pm
by Aegis
Originally posted by Gilgalen
If you like that one, there are tons more:
“God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear.” -- Los Angeles, California, Mar. 3, 2004
Hey megalomaniac, you’re not Jesus…
Just out of curiosity, are these Bush quotes, or other?
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:53 pm
by Gilgalen
Good God, don't you recognize your fearless leader?
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:55 pm
by Vicsun
Originally posted by Gilgalen
Good God, don't you recognize your fearless leader?
He's Canadian
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:57 pm
by Gilgalen
So should I say it more slowly?
Dontcha..... recognize.... yer..... fearless..... leader.....
Dontchaknow?
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:08 pm
by Aegis
I don't like Paul Martin. He's more of a fiscal conservative, then a liberal. He was the former Fianance Minister, and yet the shipping company he owns is based out of Michegan. His own actions showed little support for Canadian industry. Not only that, but he stabbed Shiela Copps in the back, and is slowly destroying her standing in the Liberal party (to the point where she might join the New Democratic Party of Canada). As well as slowly destroying everything Jean Chrietien built during his time in office (Chrietien, I happened to be a firm suppporter of. Especially his last 18 months in office.)
Anyway, I'm not to good with quotes without names as well
Care to fill in the blank for me?
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:18 pm
by dragon wench
Not to mention that Martin's shipping company is well known for sailing under 'flags of convenience'.... Yet, he is attempting to court the labour vote
One of my biggest criticisms against Martin is that he is all over the political map and tries to be all things to all people.... Hmmm... large chance of a massive majority (well, pre-sponsorship scandal anyway), attempts to appeal to both Quebec and the West.. Sound familiar?
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:21 pm
by Aegis
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:52 pm
by Moonbiter
So we're agreed, then?....
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:46 am
by Coot
Originally posted by RandomThug
I lot of the times it is in the interest of other peoples profits we go in... how long ago was the first iraq war, that was for the benifits of the people saddam was gassing and such.
Come on, that's obviously not true. If that was the case, we would have attacked Saddam when he came to power. He has been terrorizing people since the 60's. We only intervened when our oil was threatened.
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:54 am
by RandomThug
@Coot one thing that gets me is the question I gotta ask. Is the US the only people who profit from oil in iraq and kuwait. I mean in no ways would any other country have wanted us to intervene.. in any form because well its blood for oil. Im to tired this morning to argue this... and we wouldn't have attaked him when he got to power because we were putting him there.
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:06 am
by fable
Originally posted by RandomThug
@Coot one thing that gets me is the question I gotta ask. Is the US the only people who profit from oil in iraq and kuwait.
In a word, yes. Bush and his cabinet established itself--without the involvement of the allies such as the UK, Australia, Poland or Spain--as the gatekeeper for all international contracts coming out of Iraq. Don't you remember the international diplomatic row that broke out when the US Defense Department announced, under jovial Rumsfeld, that France, Germany, Russia, and even Canada would be prohibited from submitting bids for lucrative international contracts on Iraq? The profit is going to the US.
Then, there's the Haliburton Affair. Haliburton, the oil company formerly headed by VP Dic! Cheney, was immediately awarded contracts totalling $2 billion after the invasion: the largest such contract offered since the end of the war. Now, a Congressional investigation has been launched (and by a Republican Congress, no less) into how the contract was awarded, and how poorly Haliburton has mismanaged matters.
Kuwait was different. The old government was put back into place. However, they very kindly offered oil at an extremely cheap price afterwards to the US in order to defray the costs of their good friend in helping them out. Was it an appropriate action to take? Very likely. But that doesn't remove the fact that the US got a great break out of the Gulf War: first, cheap oil for Kuwait; secondly, free oil vouchers from Iraq which (not coincidentally, IMO) ran out the year Bush invaded Iraq.
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:33 am
by Gwalchmai
Originally posted by Weasel
I take that in the same vein as an American calling a French a Cheese Surrendering Monkey...This American would be a Uneducated Moron From the Hills. UMFH for short.
Or they might be a fictional Scottsman....
(note the date)
The Simpsons
Episode: 'Round Springfield'
Written by Joshua Sternin & Jeffrey Ventimilia (teleplay) and Al Jean & Mike Reiss (story)
Production code: 2F32 Original airdate in N.A.: 30-Apr-95
A little later, Bart puts his hand up.
Bart: Mrs. Krabappel, I'm done failing the test. Can I please go to the nurse?
Edna: Gosh, Bart, maybe you really are in pain.
Well...it would be cruel not to let you go.
[files her nails, hums the national anthem]
[hums part of "Stars and Stripes Forever"]
Heh heh heh, now you may go.
Bart: [walking into nurse's room] Lunch Lady Doris? Why are you here?
Doris: Budget cuts. They've even got Groundskeeper Willy teaching French.
Willy: "Bonjourrr", you cheese-eating surrender monkeys!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:38 am
by Morlock
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:47 am
by Gwalchmai
What was the joke? (I don't get to watch the Simpsons anymore, at least not until the kids go to bed...)
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:53 am
by RandomThug
@Fable - What about France and such do you know what happened to thier oil deals since our invaision.