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[QUOTE=Fiona]@ Tony. You can't prove a negative. However extraordinay claims demand extraordinary evidence. It's a question of where the burden of proof lies,IMO[/QUOTE]

That's probably the most realistic and logical way of looking at it yet and I agree with you. But I only see the need for extraordinary evidence if this is a claim that;s going to effect alot of people: if the government were to tell me we're selling off that plot of land in WV where mothman was to the canadians because we fear it's one of those "extradimensional portals" and don't want it, then I'd say "Find some real proof dammit." But this effects only a handful of people, so what's the need for tons of evidence? This dopesn't change my life in any way, so why should I need evidence?

[QUOTE=Ravager]I didn't mean to suggest you were, I was just making a general point.

@Mag, now all scientists are connected to governments, even if many are funded by them.[/QUOTE]
nice typo rav.


I believe in some things, like the powers of self preservation, not like they are going to do me any good, Ill be dead in ten years any way, going to die in a car crash when im 25 , the accident most likely wont be my fault, though it will be after a particularly traumatic incedent, not necesarily a death of a friend or family member, alcohol most likely wont be involved, unless im in new jersey or montana, and it will be a minor accident except for my death by some wierd cause, maybe a flying bit of metal, a shard from a windshield that shattered, or just my air bags wont deploy.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana1638]That's probably the most realistic and logical way of looking at it yet and I agree with you. But I only see the need for extraordinary evidence if this is a claim that;s going to effect alot of people: if the government were to tell me we're selling off that plot of land in WV where mothman was to the canadians because we fear it's one of those "extradimensional portals" and don't want it, then I'd say "Find some real proof dammit." But this effects only a handful of people, so what;s the need for tons of evidence? I'm not starting a mothman society here , so why should I need evidence?[/QUOTE]

You don't need evidence. But the spread of nonsense is a problem for all of us. At the very least it keeps real news out of the papers and serves the powers that be very well as distraction. Or so I think.

[QUOTE=Phreddie]I believe in some things, like the powers of self preservation, not like they are going to do me any good, Ill be dead in ten years any way, going to die in a car crash when im 25 , the accident most likely wont be my fault, though it will be after a particularly traumatic incedent, not necesarily a death of a friend or family member, alcohol most likely wont be involved, unless im in new jersey or montana, and it will be a minor accident except for my death by some wierd cause, maybe a flying bit of metal, a shard from a windshield that shattered, or just my air bags wont deploy.[/QUOTE]
Heh, my grandfather put on his best suit the day he turned forty. No man in his family had lived beyond forty. He believed he would die. Hes seventy something now.

Men who work in coal mines live short lives.

@Phreddie, yeah, I always make the best typos.

[QUOTE=Fiona]You don't need evidence. But the spread of nonsense is a problem for all of us. At the very least it keeps real news out of the papers and serves the powers that be very well as distraction. Or so I think.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
Though I'd blame it more on the media deciding what the public needs and doesn't need to know more often.
Who doesn't want to hear about Celeb Big Brother after all?

[QUOTE=Ravager]@Phreddie, yeah, I always make the best typos.



I agree.
Though I'd blame it more on the media deciding what the public needs and doesn't need to know more often.
Who doesn't want to hear about Celeb Big Brother after all? [/QUOTE]
Im more angered about what Big Brother decides what I do and do not need to know.

[QUOTE=Phreddie]Im more angered about what Big Brother decides what I do and do not need to know.[/QUOTE]

The press plays a major part in that though. They determine whether a news story is going to be shown or ignored, it's rank of importance (whether it is at the beginning or end of a newspaper/broadcast) and the amount of bias in the reporting.

[QUOTE=Fiona]You don't need evidence. But the spread of nonsense is a problem for all of us. At the very least it keeps real news out of the papers and serves the powers that be very well as distraction. Or so I think.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on, now you're implying that all of this truly is nonsense: don't assume you're right when evidence is lacking on both sides. Let's face it too I hardly see the mothman story as a global threat: it's only appeared in random little articles like this every now and then and I doubt it's kept any 'real' stories out of the news. I hardly think it works in the favor of the powers that be. 90% of important news stories don't get printed and it has nothing to do with mothman or bigfoot. Isn't this a wee bit dramatic?

I like Big Brother.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana1638]Oh come on, now you're implying that all of this truly is nonsense: don't assume you're right when evidence is lacking on both sides. Let's face it too I hardly see the mothman story as a global threat: it's only appeared in random little articles like this every now and then and I doubt it's kept any 'real' stories out of the news. I hardly think it works in the favor of the powers that be. 90% of important news stories don't get printed and it has nothing to do with mothman or bigfoot. Isn't this a wee bit dramatic?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so but I won't go to the stake for it.

I will say that it is about a cast of mind. Example. You are sitting in a city apartment with another person, a person you believe to be ordinarily reliable. You both hear animal noises outside. Your companion goes to look: 3 outcomes

1.Your friend tells you "it's a horse." Since there are such things as mounted police. You may continue drinking guinness and accept his word for it, or you may check

2. Your friend tells you "it's a zebra." Well there is a zoo and one may have escaped. You may continue drinking guinness and accept his word for it or you may check.

3. Your friend tells you "it's a tyrranosaurus rex." You really going to accept his word? I think you check.

It isn't a question of tons of proof. It's a question of the quality of the evidence. If the claim is extraordinary then the evidence should be the best you can get. Just my view *shrugs*

[QUOTE=Fiona]I don't think so but I won't go to the stake for it.

I will say that it is about a cast of mind. Example. You are sitting in a city apartment with another person, a person you believe to be ordinarily reliable. You both hear animal noises outside. Your companion goes to look: 3 outcomes

1.Your friend tells you "it's a horse. Since there are such things as mounted police. You may continue drinking guinness and accept his word for it, or you may check

2. Your friend tells you it's a zebra. Well there is a zoo and one may have escaped. You may continue drinking guinness and accept his word for it or you may check.

3. Your friend tells you it's a tyrranosaurus rex. You really going to accept his word? I think you check.

It isn't a question of tons of proof. It's a question of the quality of the evidence. If the claim is extraordinary then the evidence should be the best you can get. Just my view *shrugs*[/QUOTE]

Dude if my friend said there was a T rex outside I'd look. Not necessarily because I don't believe him though . This is just the way I am, because I've found people are much more apt to make small, inconsequential lies than large ones like mothman. I believe there's more of a chance mothman exists, for example, than that Magrus is really drunk every time he types so . It's hard to spell while drunk, nevertheless find the right keys on the keyboard v .

The Prophecy Of The Fall Of The Animal, The Rule Great One, And The Great Apprentice.

Η αίγα θα πέσει, η Μοντάνα θα σταθεί, κοντά στο βασιλιά, κοντά στον απρόβλεπτο.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana1638]I believe there's more of a chance mothman exists, for example, than that Magrus is really drunk every time he types so . It's hard to spell while drunk, nevertheless find the right keys on the keyboard v .[/QUOTE]

Practice makes perfect, or some such nonsense. I'm really not drunk ALL the times I say I'm drinking. I AM drunk when I say I'm drunk however. I've been drinking since before 11am today folks.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana1638]Dude if my friend said there was a T rex outside I'd look. Not necessarily because I don't believe him though . .[/QUOTE]

Are you sure? I love that level of trust. But I confess, I wouldn't believe him

[QUOTE=Magrus]Practice makes perfect, or some such nonsense. I'm really not drunk ALL the times I say I'm drinking. I AM drunk when I say I'm drunk however. I've been drinking since before 11am today folks. [/QUOTE]

Spam would suck without you Mag .

[QUOTE=TonyMontana1638]Spam would suck without you Mag .[/QUOTE]

:laugh: Thanks man. I'm bored without spam. It's addicting...

Η αίγα θα πέσει, η Μοντάνα θα σταθεί, κοντά στο βασιλιά, κοντά στον απρόβλεπτο.

Tony, do you speak Chu???

[QUOTE=Magrus]I'm bored without spam. It's addicting...[/QUOTE]

I can second that...

@Chu, Greek isn't your personal language, you know.

[QUOTE=Ravager]I can second that... [/QUOTE]
Heh, I would have left forever if it wasn't addicting.

@ Its Chu, not greek.

[QUOTE=Fiona]Are you sure? I love that level of trust. But I confess, I wouldn't believe him [/QUOTE]

No Fiona you're right I wouldn't believe him, but there'd be that small moment of shock when I would. You would too if they said it convincingly enough, but just for a milisecond.

You've kind of backed me into a corner here because I can't continue to say I'm as trusting as I'm defensively making myself out to be, but I'll just leave it at the fact that if all these people are willing to attest to all this stuff about mothman or Nessy then I'll believe them because I really don't care enough to argue. I wouldn't, however, be willing to go on a talk show and try to try and prove to the world about their existence .

Anyway's I have to go, it's been fun as always . Fiona you are by far the most fun person to argue/debate with that I have ever encountered .


... Which just reminded me I neer responded to the last Siberys Belief thread post you made! :speech: I forgot all about it! In fact, I'm not even sure where we were... Eh, maybe I'll do it later. Sorry .