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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 4:24 pm
by Aegis
I think that the movie touchs on a broader auidence then it intended to. It's a must see.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 4:43 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by loner72:
<STRONG>A Christian friend sent me an e-mail containing such an article. It "quoted" Rawlings and several random children as cursing Christianity, blaspheming Christ, and praising Satan. This article portrayed "Potter"'s author and fans as so blatantly satanic that I had my doubts as to its authenticity.</STRONG>
One of my AIM Buddies emailed me an article like that, if not the same article. That article and constant pushing from Random Shadow are what got me to read the books. I found it questionable that so many people are so anti-HP. That combined with that fact that Random Shadow, whom I trust to be able to make good dicisions as to what she reads, absolutely loves the books convinced me to read them. My mom also read them because of all the anti-Potter stuff. We both think they're great books. My dad still won't read them for two reasons. 1.)He doesn't care much for Fantasy in general. 2.)He still thinks they're bad. He is gonna go see the movie with us.

When I refer to Harry Potter as fantasy, I use the term loosely. Though it has fantasy elements, even the stuff that's taken out of other fantasy is greatly changed, such as basilisks being snakes. The closest I've seen to a snake-basilisk is Medusa(?) from Greek/Roman mythology. I also don't care much for the "have to use wand to cast magic" thing. One does not need a wand to cast magic. Wands are an optional tool of the mage, but not a necessary tool, imo. The books are however very intriguing and funny. They're also good at making you wanna know what's going to happen next. I find the Quidditch matches quite entertaining.

As for the X-Men movie, my only complaint about the movie is how they replaced Jubilee with Rogue. Instead of the Jubilee/Wolvie stuff, they've got Rogue/Wolvie stuff. They did a good job with it, but they had to change Rogue's personality to make it work. They also left out the whole Rogue/Mystique/Mz Marvel deal which is how Rogue got her super strength and flight ability.

As for LotR, I'm about halfway done with the last book of LotR. I can't wait to see the movie. The LotR action figures at the store scare me, though I'm thinking about buying the Legolas action figure. *glomps Legolas, but backs off when Gimli threatens her life* :o

Comparing LotR and HP. You really can't compare them because they're so different. The only comparison I make is that LotR is "hardcore fantasy" whereas HP is "softcore fantasy." I've noticed that a lot of people who seem practically obsessed with Harry Potter have never been able to make it more than halfway through the Hobbit.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:07 pm
by Georgi
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>When I refer to Harry Potter as fantasy, I use the term loosely. Though it has fantasy elements, even the stuff that's taken out of other fantasy is greatly changed, such as basilisks being snakes. The closest I've seen to a snake-basilisk is Medusa(?) from Greek/Roman mythology. I also don't care much for the "have to use wand to cast magic" thing. One does not need a wand to cast magic. Wands are an optional tool of the mage, but not a necessary tool, imo. The books are however very intriguing and funny. They're also good at making you wanna know what's going to happen next. I find the Quidditch matches quite entertaining.</STRONG>
Then again, if everything was the same as other fantasy, Rowling would probably be accused of being a clone of Tolkien or <insert other fantasy author names here>. I don't think Rowling's concepts should be dismissed just because they disagree with what other fantasy writers have written - it is fantasy, after all ;) Regarding wands - well, obviously they're not all that necessary, since Harry does magic before going to Hogwarts, without one. :p I would take more issue (and this is kind of what Fable was saying earlier) with the fact that magic is hereditary, and thus creates an elite who can do it, and the rest who can't. There was also the idea of "witch" being a female term (Harry's mother was a witch), and "wizard" being the equivalent male term (Harry is a wizard), which modern witches tend to have issues with (and which, I should add, has no historical precedent). But hey, it's only a kids' movie at the end of the day, so I don't care all that much :D
<STRONG>They also left out the whole Rogue/Mystique/Mz Marvel deal which is how Rogue got her super strength and flight ability.</STRONG>
But in the movie, Rogue doesn't have super strength and flight ability... maybe she is going to gain that later on?
<STRONG>HP is "softcore fantasy."</STRONG>
Does anyone else find this statement hilarious? :D :o :D

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:53 pm
by Sailor Saturn
Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>Then again, if everything was the same as other fantasy, Rowling would probably be accused of being a clone of Tolkien or <insert other fantasy author names here>. I don't think Rowling's concepts should be dismissed just because they disagree with what other fantasy writers have written - it is fantasy, after all Regarding wands - well, obviously they're not all that necessary, since Harry does magic before going to Hogwarts, without one. I would take more issue (and this is kind of what Fable was saying earlier) with the fact that magic is hereditary, and thus creates an elite who can do it, and the rest who can't. There was also the idea of "witch" being a female term (Harry's mother was a witch), and "wizard" being the equivalent male term (Harry is a wizard), which modern witches tend to have issues with (and which, I should add, has no historical precedent). But hey, it's only a kids' movie at the end of the day, so I don't care all that much </STRONG>
True, except about the wand thing. They need the wand to help them control their magic. When Harry used magic before going to Hogwarts, it wasn't controlled magic.
<STRONG>But in the movie, Rogue doesn't have super strength and flight ability... maybe she is going to gain that later on?</STRONG>
That's what I figure will happen, but it will be rather impossible for them to do so without some rather major changes. I am interested to see how they do facilitate it, though.
<STRONG>Does anyone else find this statement hilarious? :D :o :D </STRONG>
I do. I'm amazed I actually left that in the post. :eek: :o