out of curiostiy...whats so great bout the DS?

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:41 am

i disagree with you there. i play ds not cos it reflects who i am but the complete opposite. i would never even dream of harming anyone else, so palying ds certainly does not reflect who i am inside. i play ds cos i'm playing something i am not and i find that makes it more interesting. its different to how i live my life and thats why i enjoy it. i like playing ls too but not as much as ds because i was brought up in a family where i was taught to help people, treat people fairly etc. by playing ds it gives me a chance just to do something different to that.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:41 am

Firstly of all, I agree that it does not reflect who we are inside. But, you cannot say, that just because you were raised not to harm others, in right circumstanes you won't be capable of doing things. And don't think I say that inside you are a sick bastard, just waiting for an opportunity to kill and torture

Only few of us truly know what's inside of ourselves. But games like this allows us to bring up our darker and crueler part of us, and it's only and only our choice to take this chance or not.
But on the other hand, I may be taking this too seriously. Surely, they are people, which just don't feel it. For them, this is really just a game, and it does not affect them in any way. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I just need to lay off those damn pill's. And booze. And stop smoking weed. And.....nevermind. That's all I have to say for now. Waiting for a reply.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:49 am

i agree in the right/wrong circumstances, nobody knows what they are truly capable of, but i really do not take games to the extreme that i play them to reflect who i am. i just play them for fun. if i feel like playing an evil character i go ds, if not i go ls. playing ds does not mean you have to do everything the ds way. i like to roleplay my character, so if he is angry with his exile, i reflect this in conversation. if he is angry at the republic, i reflect this. if he feels sorry for someone, even if darkside, then he helps them. there is more to being ds than just being sadistic and destroying everyone. sometimes i just let my ds character be a bit manipulative, to be a bit selfish, but still generally good at heart, but he/she is still ds cos of all the anger he/she has towards the jedi and his/her desire for revenge. if i play ls, then i find its not quite as broad as that. ls i feel like i always have to be 'perfect' in every situation and i just don't find that kind of character as fun to play. i like my characters to have their little flaws, weaknesses. and if that later manifests itself as turning sith then i play sith. but i always play both ls and ds games as that way i am getting the best of everything the game has to offer. i don't think i could just play ls and never play ds.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:58 am

Well, I see any further conversation between me and you about this topic quite pointless. Not because I don't like talking with you, but we got 2 diffrent way's of playing this kind of games. I like to see myself in the game, and you like to see it in evry possible way, you play as you think that person would act, and that's just fine with me. But neither you or me is going to prove each other wrong, and we won't fully agree on this, so let's just drop this one

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:26 pm

yeah, i guess we just have different styles of playing. i've never tried playing it how i would do stuff if it was me in the game though, might be an interesting thing to try sometime.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:36 pm

And maybe I'll start playing more gray, you know, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:11 pm

Ok before we have a chick flick moment

(no offense intended) i'd like to get back to the topic.

What is so great about DS? really nothing it's just an interesting side to play, personally i make a choice depending on how i feel at the moment. But when i first played both games i picked the choice that i'd pick if that really happened to me, most of the time i'd stick around neutral other times you'd mostly find me around LS.

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:24 am

Ds, Ls

As for me, I don't really have fun playing neutral. Idk why, I just don't. I know I'm able to do whatever I want, but idk it just seems too weird to me knowing I'm not on a side. But what I like bout the dark side more is you have way more money by the end of the game and way more experience points. But whats awesome bout the light side is that its harder, especially during conversations, and theres really more of a story line instead saying f*ck it I don't like you, you die.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:29 am

Playing LS is far more challenging than DS. Force powers avaivable for DS are too powerful if you ask me. Force Storm for example - playing as an Jedi Consular, and Jedi Master later on in KotOR II, at the end of the game I was able to slay multiple groups of enemies with just one attack. LS powers are wrong made, I mean there ain't really much offensive powers for the light siders, except Stun, Stun Droid and 2 or 3 others. Most of them are just making you a bit stronger. It makes game more difficult, as you can't put out enemies instantly. As for the cash I never cared about it - I was fighting Malak having Jedi Master Robes and an set of random armor parts I found throughout the game. In the second one I was buying mainly lightsaber crystals, but they were not too difficult to find in some jar's and you often get them as an reward. In addition, I was always carrying a lot of unique weapons (blasters, swords) which I never used, and they were worth a lot of cash, so after selling them I had no problems with money.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:26 am

i agree with fierce, ls is a lot more challenging than darkside, especially if you only use universal and ls powers and always try to do he ls thing in situations. the ds is a lot of fun to play too though which is why i always try to play through the game as each. i find its a completely different style of play, using different powers in battles and doing quests in different ways. both are enjoyable to play in their own way.

Darth Mason · Post by **Darth Mason** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:39 am

I generally play through as ls but its interesting to play ds just to see the alternate ending and also playion ds you don't always have to be switched on to do the ds thing. Ls is more challenging bu its more fn to play ls and replay ds

spoiler

I quite like the part on onderon if you side with General Vaklu and you can demand all of the Force sensitives as payment for helping him

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:26 am

when i was DS, i had less fun than when i was LS. i think people think DS is so great because of the DS powers, the DS FP are cooler than LS powers.

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:08 am

i actually dont believe in the jedi code, that you can have no love and no personal possesions, i think its crap. but i think the ligt side is more fun to play. i always play light side, but i think neutral is the lessest crappy.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:34 pm

In the first part I don't mean\want to offend any of you people here (neither in the next one, but later it is possible I will do so unwillingly), I am talking about the creatures of Star Wars world, which are affected by the Force, not about the real world people.

I was thinking about that whole "strenght" in the Dark Side, that those who give themselves into it become super-powerful and free of bonds. After an deep wondering, fueled by my experience about human feelings and by my vision of it, I get to that is the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. Why? There are mostly 2 kinds of DS users: those, who were too weak to follow the path of Jedi, and mean bastards. There are one's with many doubts, those who were forced to turn away from good, those who are lost or know no other way to live, but most of them is driven by two things: weakness and lust for power. Weakness, because they are not good or patient enough to finish their full training and gain experience needed to become an true master of Force. Lust for power, because they are not truly strong and they want to gain strenght in some other way (Disciples of Ragnos for example). When they battle Jedi, their opposite, they are like Red Army - they overthrow enemy with their numbers of not-too-well trained troops. Of course I am aware of few Sith and Dark Jedi that mastered themselves and the Force and became true masters, but as I said - only few of them achieve such victory. Yes yes - the same situation is with Jedi, but at least when you are an Jedi Master, you don't have to be affraid your apprentice will backstab you to take your place (if you'll train him well).

The reason for so many people (real people) like DS so much is the opportunity to act in other way than in the real life. BUT - do we really act so good that we feel justified to act in completly diffrent way? I mean, how many of you would help strangers or spare life's of their beaten enemies, which few seconds ago wanted to kill you? I also see such games as an opportunity do something else I would never do - to be a real hero to other's. I am aware of my weaknesses, of my darker self, but I don't seek an way to embrace it, but to fight it. As mean as I may be, still, I'm trying to overcome it, become better. Such games are motivation to me, because I make choices of my own, and because I have satisfaction out of it, it means the better part of me is slightly developed. There are games, like Call of Duty 2 or San Andreas, where I enjoy killing people in many nasty ways, but in those game I have no choice to get satisfaction out of it. Some people say that they do this (being evil and such), because it's just an stupid game and it does not mean anything - it's an lie as well. Let's say there is Someone without any evil in him, not even a bit. He won't have any satisfaction from being cruel in any game. Same for Someone without any good in him - he won't have any satisfaction from being good. If you want to play DS just for playing someone evil, it means you want to be evil, so it does mean something. And yes, I know there are lots of people playing DS just to see alternative style of play and the ending of game, and such way is just fine for me.

P.S. Please don't take me for an completle looser\sucker\fanatic\or whatever comes to your mind because of the second part of this thread. This is thread about philosophical stuff, so I released my inner thinker and spilled out evrything I had in my mind

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:12 pm

you're not a sucker or something, that was quite a nice story.

Darth Mason · Post by **Darth Mason** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:25 am

I agree with you Fierce - the DS is just the quick, easy route to gain some false power whereas the Jedi work hard at it and take the better, philosophical route

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:43 am

and credits

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:05 pm

I have actually recieved far more credits as LS than I did as a DS player. So I don't typically think of DS giving me more credits.

Graus · Post by **Graus** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:34 pm

Birds...

'Gaining more power through the Dark Side', this is something that rather dissapointed me in Kotor 2, going Dark Side woulden't give me more power then it would going Light side (both feats and Force Powers), do i get more credits for going Dark Side? No, i've tested going Light Side and if you just say 'No problem i just wanted to help' you get just as much credits as if you would say 'Time to die!' (And if you get a tiny bit more credits it doesn't really matter anyway because you wont get use of all of them anyway). Any great items that you only can use when you are Dark Side? Not really (Qel-Droma equippment comes into mind).

Now when i think about it same stuff happens in other games as well: Baldurs gate 2, sure, kill and steal and pillage and you will gain more money but you wont be able to buy almost any stuff because all the merchants will take overprice because of your reputation. It seems like the developers have an little plan of their own: Telling you that 'The Dark Side' wont lead to anything good.

There are two kinds of Jedi/Sith:

*Sith are weak because they fail to follow the teachings of the order.
*Jedi are weak because they can't accept their gift and use it fully.

*Sith are weak because they have civilwars the whole time.
*Jedi are weak because the allow the weak to rule them, they don't allow the 'strong' to be their leader.

I don't like to play DS because it's 'different' from how i would act in real life. I like to play DS because it's how i would like to act in real life, does that make me a sadist? Properly, but you woulden't have to worry about me in real life, not because my conscience would tell me it's wrong, but instead because the punishment that would be laid uppon me if i would break the law. In video games such as Kotor your allowed to do anything without any real consequence and thats why it's appealing for me to play DS.

Another thing that comes into mind:

The fighting style, i would describe the fighting style of the jedi as the 'Samurais', discipline, swift-perfect-movements, control. A person who has control under the whole fight and doesn't allow he's emotion to get into the way, he may get cut in the face but he will remain calm. The Sith on the other side would be more like a berserking warrior, rage, heavy-strikes-with-less-aim. A person who fueles the whole fight with emotions and rage, when this person gets cut in the face he will 'roar' (how dramatic!) in rage and try to crush he's enemys skull.

Quess i should make an PS as well.

PS: This are mostly random thoughts being drawn up by the 'philosophical debate' (everything is philosophical because everything conserns life).

PS2: My post may be alot of random thought but atleast do i hope 'you' know understand; 'Whats so great about the Dark Side'.

FighterTundra · Post by **FighterTundra** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:01 am

as DS, you CAN make more money. for example at the swoop tracks on nar shaddaa, when you win, you get 500 creds, but you can do force persuade to get all winnings (2250 creds) but then you get DS points. and if you help someone, and you ask for more creds, you get less LS points. and how much money you get (in kotOR II) depends on the stuff what you find in strongboxes/remains, because that is different every game. so: you get more money as DS than LS.