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marten0305 wrote:The sith race is a non-canonical race... meaning, it is not part of the continuity of the Star Wars Universe. In simpler terms, there is no Sith race, it may have been published but it wasn't official information.

there was a sith race,but that was before kotor 1/2.
if you dont belive me try to read about Naga Sadow or Marka Ragnos cuase they were sith lords and sith(race). and if the sith is no part of SW Universe then Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos would not be a part of it to. i think the sith race have a part in SW universe cuase they(Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos and more) was one of th great sith lord...

Mandalorianx wrote:there was a sith race,but that was before kotor 1/2.
if you dont belive me try to read about Naga Sadow or Marka Ragnos cuase they were sith lords and sith(race). and if the sith is no part of SW Universe then Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos would not be a part of it to. i think the sith race have a part in SW universe cuase they(Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos and more) was one of th great sith lord...

Well i'll have to read more at the Star Wars Canon then and find out if the Sith race or those Sith Lords are apart of the continuity of the star wars universe. They could be just in the game, but then that would mean the K series isn't apart of the continuity. I already know Revan is apart of the continuity, but they could of thought Revan was too interesting of a character to leave out of the continuity and they made the real tale of Revan. I'll check into it though.

comics tell these tales

Loved the info on the history of the Sith. Thanks for posting all of that.

The old comics would probably be worth a read fo those who are interested in this history. A lot of the lore about Exar Kun, Ulic and Cay Quiel-Droma, Naga Sadow and Nomi Sunrider among other things was created in these comics back in the early 90's. I still have a bunch of them in my closet from when I was a kid. They tell of the Fall of the original Sith empire, the Exar Kun wars, the Hyperspace wars and many other stories during this time. It was pretty fun to go through KOTOR and find a decent number of references to the stories I grew up with in the comics.
If you want to see what the original sith race looked like, look for these graphic novels. Most of them fall under the name of 'Tales of the Jedi' and you can still find some of them at local libraries or even used on amazon.com. Some of the other titles are "Dark Lords of the Sith" "The Freedon Nadd Uprsing" and "The Sith War".

The new movies and several of the novels written also pay little tributes to the old comics in some places.

Also, hello, I Just found your site while looking for a guide for KOTOR to help me find things that I missed before (my game tends to glitch so I can't always tell if a side quest is done or not...Missions brother never appeared in the tusken camp after doing every thing right, for example...but I digress).

The Star Wars Canon was created to keep track of what information is official. Alot of material from other SW franchises(besides the movies) never made it in to the Star Wars Canon(hence unofficial). All the SW comics that marvel had done(and published) never made it, all the Darth Maul Ressurections never made it(Star Wars Canon - Darth Maul was killed and stayed dead), the sith race was excluded (i looked into it), and many other various material. No matter what you seen in comics, books, novelties, etc..., it is up to a Lucas Arts official (Leland Chee) to decide what is official and what is not.

Is there a link to a site somewhere that I missed that has the SW Cannon? I would like to read it. Or is it just what the starwars.com site has in its database? I do know about that place.

I would conceed that the comics themselves could easily not be part of the Cannon, but the lore (what I mean by that is basic story line) they held is. There are enough instances of these events and characters being referenced in Cannon (at least what I understand is Cannon like the novels, starwars.com and such) that the basic story is accepted as Cannon, just perhaps reinterpereted a little different.

Another example of this is the six childrens books that tell of Luke discovering a 'lost city of the jedi' underground on Yavin 4. Reading them in light of the regular novels and cannon make them a joke though. a Jedi city buried under a planet that was basically Sith controlled? Why were the rebels based on Yavin again after the battle of Endor? Lando in charge of Cloud city after the Empire kicked him out? I could go on, but when I read Bastila_Shan's posts about 'cannon' Sith history I was suprised to read of things that this little series contained: Kadan and Jadgar and the Prophets of the Darkside, the glove of Darth Vader, Triclops. These childrens books were written in the early 90's as well. I don't think that there were any stories of theres things before the childrens books were published (they don't even have a series name for them to my knowedge).

Sorry for the rabbit trail but it does come back to a point I wanted to make: Just because something may not be official 'Cannon' does not mean that it could be used as reference material. KOTOR used characters from the comics (heck Exar Kun and all of the other characters I mentioned earlier were INVENTED by the comics), Exar Kun was in the Jedi Academy book trilogy, The New Jedi Order and Dark Nest series of novels includes Kyle Katarn, a videogame character. and the Novels also include Cam Soulsar who was introduced in the Dark Empire comics to my understanding. And even in Episode 2 during the arena fight scene the green horse-like-headed jedi that is shot off of the balcony by Jango Fett is the same race as one of the 'Golden Age of the Sith/Fall of the Sith Empire' comic characters.

So granted, the comics, among other star wars media, may not be 'Cannon', but it has been used as reference material and has even formed the back-bone of what became Cannon Star Wars lore. So I think its safe to bet that the 'true sith', if they appear in the much anticipated KOTOR 3, would be based somewhat on previous images they were portrayed as.

Wow I write a lot! Though I do love cross referencing the Star Wars universe. That was a highlight of KOTOR for me.

What i mean't is Leland Chee decides what material of the comics, novelties, etc..., is official Star Wars Canon. Exar Kun is apart of the Star Wars Canon and Naga Sadow and the others from Korriban were not mentioned and were not profiled. So the race is unofficial. They have altered some material from the comics to fit it in the SWC.

I found the Star Wars Canon through google, and all Star Wars Canon eventually lead to the starwars.com databank. Like i said before, there is no mention of Naga Sadow or the others or the sith race in the SWC (Star Wars Canon).

Red tattos

THis is really far off in the future but with Darth Krayt his evil villian kids all had the Red bodies and black tattos (one of which is a twi'lek)

I kind of assume that most of the novels written by zahn, anderson, allston and others is pretty much cannon and that is how Exar Kun ended up in the Cannon. But since it is referencenced from the old comics, who knows? I do hope that who ever makes KOTOR 3 bases the Sith race (if they do make an appearance) off of the previous designs for them.

That is interesting that only Kun is in the Cannon though. Which means that Lucas, if he felt like it at some point, could walk all over the other stories with his own versions. I would rather he didn't since he did open it up for other people to contribute to his SW universe. But it is still his world.

Gonin - after I posted last time I started looking online to see all of the comics they had and was suprised to see all of the new ones that take place 100 years in the future. I am very tempted to check them out because of how it looks like they are turning the tables on a lot of SW 'traditions' like making the empire fight the sith and other things. In KOTOR and the new comics the sith do seem to have many body tatoos similar to Maul's but the original Sith race was naturally a red color. They were humanoid shaped with very bony skulls that had protruding cheek bones.
Heres a link to the Dark Horse timeline site.

Zones > Star Wars > Timeline

and heres one directly to a cover that shows a prominent sith (Naga Sagow himself who ended up fleeing to Yavin, hence the massassi ruins and Kun's future interest in them)

Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - The Golden Age of the Sith TPB

Hopefuly it can give you an idea of what to possibly expect.
It seems that KOTOR has been following the non-cannon subject pretty well with what has already been set up so we'll see if this continues.

On a side note, there are some newer 'knights of the old republic' comics that seem to be prequels to the games. they have Saul, Carth, Vandar and the planet Taris in them. Makes you wonder if the game was based off of them or if they are based off of the game. But they are newer ones I know close to nothing about other than what wikipedia and the dark horse site reveals about them.

I some more info on Revan, it's not anything big it's just fun to know. Revan was the first sith to use the title Darth, though their has been mention of another but I can't find anything on the other anywhere (so i guess that must have been false). And unlike most sith, Revan did not change his name, he just added the Darth title.

Their is mention of Naga Sadow but no profile on him and no mention of the sith race.

here is some info about Naga Sadow.
Naga Sadow - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki - A Wikia wiki

about the sith race it's a link in some of my earlyer post..

I meant in the Star Wars Canon.

those posts by Bastila were quiet long but very interesting and educational if u can say learning starwars is educational

OftheRepublic wrote:those posts by Bastila were quiet long but very interesting and educational if u can say learning starwars is educational

Yeah they really were,

And the true Sith are the slaves to the Dark Jedi, I agree that I can't see how they can be worked into Kotor III?:speech:

@jediguardian
the sith as a people may not be able to be used in the story maybe as a flashback, but the Dark Lords especially King Asad works really well in the story

OftheRepublic wrote:@jediguardian
the sith as a people may not be able to be used in the story maybe as a flashback, but the Dark Lords especially King Asad works really well in the story

whos king asad

11Revan26 wrote:whos king asad

original king of the sith of korriban- not a sith lord but of the sith people look it up on wookieepedia

kreia is the true sith think about it

kreia is the true sith think about it if you talk to her alot and get info and talk to her right she tells you eventaully that she was once the dark lords Master "Revan" i just figured it out "talk about werid

kreia was just a sith master, not the true sith. Nihlius was a true sith though, he wasn't a man anymore, said by kreia. Sion could even be considered true sith i suppose, but not kreia.

DarthSpiden wrote: Nihlius was a true sith though, he wasn't a man anymore, said by kreia.

that's a good point although i thought that he was no longer a man because he was consumed by his hunger? I second the idea that he was a true sith because of the language he spoke? It sounded like the language spoken by the holocrons in Atris's meditation chamber and it would make sense for the ancient holocrons to be recorded in the language of the true sith wouldn't it?