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Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>there are two scripts triggered by resting (probably outside).</STRONG>

Roger that...I got both of those (though once they both occurred in dungeons, and this time in an inn, so I don't think location matters)...the thing is, I think I'm missing a dialogue between the crimson rhodelia and the lovemaking. [Aw, crimson rhodelia, that'd be a great username, wouldn't it? ] I've gotten those dialogues back-to-back and it just seems strange to me, to move right from flirting to ah...sharing a room [in the Umar ruins they literally happened about five minutes apart ]...You know though, I never did the thieves' quest (the Mae'var thing)...perhaps that takes up some more time thus allowing the dialogue timer to ah...do whatever it does?...Anyone w/insights on this?...

okay, now I have to start another game. Maybe I'll go for a paladin, that should get Anomen's little white socks all a flutter

i'm going to wait for ToB before i go through the romance a third time....it's ...very addicting ...yes thats it. it's such a shame i can't upgrade this anicent computer of mine, my processor is too slow

the more i play, the more i like anomen as a tank and as a cleric. question, i have viconia with me this time through, do they have any conversations? or does he only talk to you, keldorn and jan ? i don't think i'll ever have the aerie conversations, i don't have the heart to be evil. so if any of you have seen it; could any of you tell me how the conversation went? thanks

I've never actually had Anomen and Viconia in the same party because if you go by to rescue Viconia with Anomen in your group he self-rightiously condemns her along with the rest of the fanatics. So I felt that it might be a poor idea to have them both in my party (of course, it could be interesting too)Hmmm... we really must work on that boy's judgemental attitudes...(of course that was before his knighthood etc....)
I don't know, however, what happens if you collect Anomen with Viconia already in your party. Do keep us posted.

[ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: dragon wench ]

Aha, possibly a few answers on what dialogues you should get (the CLUAConsole is a wonderful thing!) Most of the romance is based on real time, I think 30mins apart, or something? (Even if you leave the game paused, so game time hasn't moved, you will get another dialogue when you unpause if you left it long enough)

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After Anomen's Test (having succesfully passed it, of course )

1. A glorious day it is, my lady!
(nothing interesting really)

2. You see this flower I have picked, here?
(Anomen admits how attracted he has been to you from the start)

3. (triggered on Rest) Might I be able to draw you away from the others for a while as they prepare to sleep?
(This is the big question... more on this below, in an attempt to keep this post tidy!)

4. I have been thinking of many things, now, as we travel.
(again, nothing much, very few dialogue options, but shows you he's still thinking about Saerk)

5. (triggered on Rest) We are going to rest here, are we? Then let us away to a secluded corner for a moment.
(Anomen is completely in love with you, talks about the future...)

6. (Has a countdown in game time, not real time... 2/3 days - I had to rest for 64 hours!) Messenger shows up to deliver a letter about the death of Anomen's father. Anomen leaves. Go to Saerk's house, etc, etc.

OK, so that seems to be what you should get. But it also seems buggy. I managed to get (after4, having told Anomen I didn't love him, and thereby ending the romance) Sir Ryan Trawl spawning and saying it was time for his Test (when in fact, it was in the distant past)! And (also after 4, having been really quite mean to Anomen, and him leaving the party) Anomen returning in the morning to do the usual goodbye speech, allowing me to meet him again in the Copper Coronet.
More relevantly, I managed to skip dialogue 3, possibly because I went to rest (in Athkatla) and was woken by an Amnish soldier. It went straight on to the next dialogue.

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Ok, now what you've all been waiting for... 3. he asks you to sleep with him. It pretty much doesn't matter what you say at this point, he's quite insistent that you at least hear what he has to say (and isn't keen to take no for an answer - bad Anomen!:eek . You can't do much wrong - most of the refusals will lead to him saying "Perhaps the time is not right... I wish no answer just yet". (There was one I didn't try.) So, you don't have to sleep with him then or lose him forever.

If you refuse, in dialogue 5 you will be able to sleep with him, but only if you tell him you love him. In this dialogue you can also tell him you don't love him (he will stay in your party, but the romance is over), or tell him not to be so ridiculous (he leaves your party), as well as a couple of middle options.

Overall, as long as you don't tell him you don't love him (end romance) or be nasty (leave party), it doesn't seem to matter much what options you take in these dialogues. You still get exactly the same dialogue afterwards, whether you sleep with him or not... All it comes down to is picking the right dialogue in Saerk's house. There are a few different options, but you the only way to stop him from killing Saerk is by saying you love him. (Only not in the first dialogue, for some reason...) What came before doesn't matter, as long as the romance is still active. And if it isn't, you won't ever get as far as Saerk's house.

Phew!
Sorry for the long post!
Hope that has answered a few questions!!

Hope even more that it makes sense!!!

Wow, a lot of work thanks
A question, what exactly is this CLUA console I keep hearing about, and how do I find and implement it? I don't like cheating, but that would be damn handy for the romances.

my humble thanks to you, georgi for the info as to having anomen and viconia in the same group, nothing. no conversations or remarks, but then again i also had keldorn for most of the game and had only one conversation between him and viconia (which sucks cause i wanted to see what caused the fight ).

one question, if anomen failed the test does the romance ends?

by the way i loved the speech he gave me before the second irenicus fight, it was sweet.



i do have the CLUAConsole, but how does it work on the romance? and can i use it to see other npc intereactions?

@Georgi -- WHOAH!!! Thanks a mil!! That is awesome stuff to know for my next game Now I can finish the current one without dying of curiosity...

@jennabard -- Actually, did you hear what Anomen had to say during the post-Viconia rescue dialogue? Yes he was all set to see her burned to death...BUT...when the party members are debating on whether to accept her, he says THIS:

"I had no idea the Drow could be so...striking. A beautiful creature this, if somewhat heartless...Kepp her or not, it matters not to me."

SO as long as she's good to look at it's okay Men!!! I actually wanted to keep her at that point just to see what would happen...

And YES, that dialogue before the Tree of Life is just great...too bad he blows it again in Hell...

"That pull...you brought me here with you!...I will help you if need be, but I also want to find a way out of here!"

Really? Gee, I was thinking of settling down here, just love the climate, you know?...

Geez...talk about problems with the in-laws...

However (a bit off-topic)...I absolutely loved Mazzy's reaction. "Normally I wouldn't be here..." HA! At least she reiterates her devotion to you...hmmm...maybe I should dump Anomen for Mazzy

[ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: loner72 ]

[ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: loner72 ]

yes, i was throughly annoyed with his comment in hell, it's a good think i had my sister along to make me feel better. you'd think they would script it differently if the pc is in a romance with him, but i doubt they put that much effort

about the comment he made about viconia being striking...heck if she's all that i'd look too, and just like him, promptly dismissed her as being an evil-hearted woman that she is.

The CLUA console...
(I owe all this info to a thread on Jaheira romance... and took me a while to figure out after that too...I'm no techie!)

In your BG2 folder, open the file baldur.ini with a text editor (probably good idea to make a backup first), and under the Program Options header, type the following:

Debug Mode=1

and save the file. This will enable the CLUA console.

Once in the game, press ctrl-space to access the console. You can, if you know the codes, use it for all kinds of cheating... but with the romances, these are the most useful codes, type them exactly as written, it is case-sensitive...

CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("AnomenRomanceActive","GLOBAL")

1 or 2 means the romance is active (not sure of the difference...), 3 means the romance is over (in a bad way). If you're worried cos you haven't heard anything from Anomen for a while, check this - if it's on 2, you're fine, it's just that there are no scripts (ie. between Saerk in ch.2/3, and Bodhi in ch.6).

CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("LoveTalk","LOCALS")

-you must have your cursor over Anomen's potrait for this to work. This will tell you how far through the romance you are. If it hasn't started yet, it will be 1. I believe the max is 37. For example, after the "lie with me" dialogue, it will (probably) be 33. It should change after each romance conversation you have with him. Some bugs in the Jaheira romance are caused by the LoveTalk variable not being advanced to the right level. You can change it like this:

CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("LoveTalk","LOCAL",xx)

where xx is the number you want. I haven't had any reason to try this, if that code doesn't work try LOCALS instead of LOCAL.

CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("AnomenRomance","GLOBAL",1)

sets the realtime countdown between dialogues to 1, thereby forcing the next romance script. Unless the script is triggered by an action, such as sleeping, or counts down in game time.

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I would really recommend not always taking the safest path through the romance, some of Anomen's responses are very revealing.

PC - "I came here to talk, Anomen, nothing more."
Anomen - "This is talk, my lady... this is me telling you of my desire and my love. I want to listen to your heartbeat and I want you to feel mine. I want to show you the depth of the passion I feel for you..."
PC - "Very well, Anomen... show me your passion, if you wish."
LOL!

I remember why I love this romance so much too... When he storms off after telling me he only sees self-interest in me, I'm upset by it, and wondering if what he says is true... When he apologises later, I'm genuinely relieved.

Can't wait to see how the romance progresses in ToB!

Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>When he storms off after telling me he only sees self-interest in me, I'm upset by it, and wondering if what he says is true... When he apologises later, I'm genuinely relieved. </STRONG>

Hmmm...yet another aspect I have not experienced. When does this happen?

I whupped Irenicus' sorry evil butt today...so I'll be starting a new game tonight

i need to play hard to get next time

georgi- i'm glad i'm not the only that feels that way when he stormed off
it's funny but i don't like to hurt people's feelings, even fictional ones i've tried playing an evil character once long time ago, but i felt awful and well...dirty.
i know...i know...its just a game...sigh...i just don't have the heart to be truly evil in anything. sometimes i envy the people who enjoy playing evil characters, it sounds so liberating and yet horrifying as well. but it's not for me, i get no enjoyment from being evil at all. so i'll never see anomen fail his test or watch him whack that whiny #itch, aerie. but that doesn't mean i'm miss goody two shoe either

I know exactly what you mean about not being able to play evil. Personally, I'm probably neutral or chaotic good. I've tried starting games with evil parties but I find it simply impossible to continue with them. And I wish that I could because I too am truly intrigued to see what would happen if Anomen failed his test. Of course, there's a practical reason too, with the wisdom upgrade he makes an awesome cleric, alongside his excellent fighting abilities!

Beyond the intrigues of the romance (not that those aren't in and of themselves enough reason to keep him around) I find him to be one of the best characters in the game.

@loner72 - it's quite early on... in fact, I think it's the 6th romance chat about how he became a priest...

I have started an evil game, in order to try and exeperience the game differently, but I haven't really got into it... I think I'm as far as getting out of Irenicus dungeon! Still, must persevere I suppose...

I'm playing male, so I won't get romance, but I will get Anomen to fail his test just to see what happens!

@georgi- keep us posted for those of us too soft-hearted to do that to anomen espeacially when he wacks aerie!

@dragonwench- total agreement



i can't play evil cause of the situations like wearing human skin <yuk> a la 'silence of the lamb' or kill a silver dragon, and why in the world would i want to kill soloufein?
see what i mean.

I don't think I really do the role-playing thing very well. I tend to project my personality onto my PC, rather than the other way around... And my PC being the one I have had all the way through BG, TotSC and BG2, I have a fondness for her, identify with her, that sort of thing. So I will probably not enjoy doing the evil thing at all (not to mention that there's probably quite a lot of EXP you miss out on). Still, I feel I ought to try it. But strictly speaking, if I really was evil, I probably wouldn't pick Anomen (or Aerie) up at all!

BTW, I agree, Dragonwench, once Anomen passes his test he's a decent character... has some great high level offensive spells.

Yes, those high level offensive spells are great. Speaking of which, as has been noted, the quality of Anomen as a character really suffers if you don't go the virtuous route. It seems that if you actually decide to play evil in this game the odds are seriously stacked against you. Although I guess you have access to Viconia, Korgan and Edwin, so there are some compensations.
My guess is that the reason the game developers decided to go for an alignment change with Anomen is so that they did not have to generate an additional female romance, he was created as a sort of versatile one size fits all.
It's a conspiracy, I just know it is
I'm fond of Anomen, it's simply the injustice that bothers me. Why couldn't they have ditched Aerie as a romance choice, and added Valygar? Hope that's not too far off topic BTW

But would the romance continue if Anomen failed his Test? Think about it... how much of it concerns him talking to you about it, and then being very grateful that you helped him achieve his dream...? Damn, now I want to start another new game and see what happens with the romance if he fails the Test I definitely don't think I could do that to him if he was romancing me though...

I've now picked up Anomen, and had one conversation with him so far... I think I can see why men don't like him! He starts off sounding really arrogant: "In time I shall surely command more respect with these fools. 'Tis hardly much of a party that you have put together", and I think that his initial tone probably puts a lot of people off continuing the conversation... If you talk, you discover all the stuff about his background that you get in the romance, which at least helps you understand and be a bit more tolerant. But if you don't know about that, I suppose he just seems arrogant and annoying, and I suspect (although I haven't got that far yet) he doesn't have the chance to show you another side to himself like he does in the romance.

Re. the ratio of male to female romances... When you consider that BG2 (so they say) has only about 10% female audience, we should be pleased there is a romance for us at all! And not all men want to play the romances they have available either, sooo...
I'm not saying choice wouldn't be a good thing, just that the designers have had quite a bit of criticism about this, and it's not really fair on them.

Now, Haer´Dalis was to be the second romance for females but...it never did make it for some reason, so BioWare try to have one more romance for females.
My guess is that Anomen romance is the biggest in script, seeing that they are 3 Anomens, the LN Anomen, the LG Sir Anomen and the CN Anomen, that have taken a lot of time and its perhaps the reason that Haer´Dalis romance never take off besides the idea area.
Dont complain about it, Anomen is the only romance NPC that changes in the game, the males have to take either Jaheira (and hearing about balance and the 1001 bugs that it have), Aerie (I managed to get the sleep with her and she uses the character to get to be women and they we talk to settle down and she says that she is not ready for that yet, she wants to see more of the world and she end it....ver rewarding.....) and Viconia (the sad one, the way it ends in the game...) but in the game we can either change Anomen from a "arrogant" to a nicer Anomen or a CN Anomen, we cannot do that with the females romances, Viconia will still be NE regardless of what we do, Jaheira will still be Jaheira and Aerie will still be that child that she is, the NPCs personalities will change in ToB but I dont think that the males romances will be as taken into acount as the female romance is in BG II (I am not even talking about ToB were Anomen personality will also change a bit).
Also there are only two (until we see ToB) romances that have a nice ending, Jaheira and Anomen.
I am playing the game again and after the "flower" dialogue (the 1st at rest dialogue) he asked to "Show his love for the NPC" (you know the "help me with my armor so I can show my love for you") dont you get the same dialogues options that I am getting?

Originally posted by Drakron Du´Dark:
<STRONG>I am playing the game again and after the "flower" dialogue (the 1st at rest dialogue) he asked to "Show his love for the NPC" (you know the "help me with my armor so I can show my love for you") dont you get the same dialogues options that I am getting?</STRONG>

Sounds like it...

Aw, Anomen's going to change in ToB? Dare I ask...in what way?...