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Like the thread says, I've installed the G3 tweakpack and am playing as an elf archer trying to woo Jaheira and Viconia at the same time with the no-race-restriction/concurrent romance/say anything without ruining the romance mod, and Viconia isn't giving me any lovetalks.
Also, I just finished clearing out the keep and Nalia's pulling the 'you're-not-a-fighter so-no keep for you' routine.
Other parts of the tweakpack (i.e. no helm graphics) seem to have gone through fine, what's going on here?
I'm running on Vista, with an install order of SoA, SoA Bioware patch, ToB, ToB bioware patch, G3 fixpack, G3 tweakpack, Xan mod and then a tweakpack reinstall for good measure. No matter how many times I reinstall the pack and restart it's the same result (no love from the Drow and no swanky castle), has anyone else had this problem and if so how do I fix it? For now I just restarted and used Shadowkeeper to set ViconiaMatch to 1, the romance is listed as 1 (active, lovetalk value at 131911) but I'm not getting the lovetalks yet, which might be the Jaheira romance interfering, except that the tweakpack should have overridden that.
Or do I just have to give up on my elf harem, boot Jaheira out, and settle for just Viconia?

You really should be asking on the G3 forums about this

1) I've no idea about the stronghold issue, thats never happened to me.

2) Romance - I believe you have to finish a romance with 1 person before you can start one up with another. They cannot be active at the same time, but you can indeed have all 3. (it's been a while since I played and thus am not 100% certain of this but I have also had issue with wanting Viconia and having to finish Jaheira and Aerie first or something like that.)

Posted there yesterday, but no response as yet.

Just got my first Viconia romance dialogue after setting ViconiaMatch to 1 with Shadowkeeper, but the Tweakpack as I installed it should allow for all races/sexes to romance whoever, being as mean as you want to them and not screwing it up, and concurrent romances too. ViconiaMatch was totally absent until I added it in, and I had to use Shadowkeeper to change to a Fighter before exiting the Keep to get it so the no-restrictions multi-stronghold clearly isn't working right. The only 2 I want are the Keep and the Umar Hills cabin so it's not a big deal, and I can live without Jaheira's luvvin if need be, but it's still kind of a pain.

Or maybe not - just took a female dwarf through the opening dungeon, got Aerie, and the lovetalk variable is going, so it may just be the stronghold bit that's not working and you're right on the non-simultaneous romance front.

If memory serves Vici takes longer than any of the other biogals to get going and her first talk has to happen in Athkatla because she askes you "what bring you to this part of Faerun, Amn Athkatla".

As far as the stronghold I have no Idea as I've never used it. Give the G3 board some time. Its generally slow on the weekend and your dealing with a variety of time zones as well. You could also try to search the tweaks forum and see if anyone has had the same issue and how it was delt with.

Jordoo wrote:Give the G3 board some time. Its generally slow on the weekend and your dealing with a variety of time zones as well.

I've typically gotten replies from the G3 folks on their board within 24-48 hours of posting. You won't get a lot of people responding, but you will get someone who can deal knowledgeably with the issues you have. And that's what it's all about, isn't it?

fable wrote:I've typically gotten replies from the G3 folks on their board within 24-48 hours of posting. You won't get a lot of people responding, but you will get someone who can deal knowledgeably with the issues you have. And that's what it's all about, isn't it?

Agreed, they do a great job support wise for their Mods!

Jordoo wrote:Agreed, they do a great job support wise for their Mods!

And they do great mods, too.

fable wrote:And they do great mods, too.

They definitally do ........ I am going to try Sarah as soon as V3 comes out which should be very soon.

Still no response, and the say-anything part of the romance mod isn't working, but my ranger did get offered (and declined) the Playhouse, so I don't know what's going on. The only thing I can think of is that it reinstalls the other mods afterwards so something in Xan, the Bugfix, or Dungeon Be Gone - can't believe I didn't install this one years ago - is overriding it. I'm just abusing Shadowkeeper and withholding my Aerie abuse (with difficulty) to keep things going.

Credit where credit's due - I'm still very appreciative of the rest of their work though, the self-install programs are a joy after years of individual components and the tweaks have taken out heaps of minor annoyances and expanded my game quite a bit.

always install the tweaks last

It's odd that they haven't responded. Perhaps try PMing or emailing one of the mods in charge.

Long post but quite funny.

Just a quick update and a long laugh over how it all turned out. Every stronghold other than the Keep has worked fine, though I turned down the Playhouse, Temple of Helm (I'm CN and they say I'm following Helm's path?), and room at the Order of the Radiant Heart. I'm almost through SoA and just have a few minor quests like Kangaxx etc to go while I wait for the Edwina saga to finish - all the rest of the NPC quests/events have been done thanks largely to Shadowkeeper and the occasional Ctrl+U+I for things like Minsc and Aerie, Mazzy and Valygar etc.

The laughs are for a few things.
Using my edited elf archer (lvl 31 from late ToB with Use Any Item to wear elven chain, now at level 43) from my previous game, Viconia started romancing after all, I'd just forgotten how long it took to get started. This is also my first run-through with Saerileth installed, who promptly got Imprisoned in the Order of the Most Radiant Heart for destroying my imported Blackrazor and having too much distortion in her voiceset. The initial 'intimate encounter' with Viccy occured just before going off to Spellhold while resting in Aran Linvale's bedroom, so presumably in his bed, which has a certain style IMO.
Viccy's romance dialogues continued through the Underdark, with the first Lolth-is-searching-for-me talk happening while on our way to see Adalon after we'd just finished slaughtering the whole of Ust'Natha ("Why is Lolth searching for me now? Why now?!"), and the Handmaiden and Yochlol spawning just after we'd run across Drizzt and co. They lasted about one round, maybe two, but of course Viccy was still terrified and broke it off/ended the romance for SoA.
By that point Jaheira (G3 Tweaked to Neutral Good) was just starting the Dermin sub-quests so it was onto that while doing most of the quests to boost up Imoen. Jaheira romance went to 2 a short while after we finished the Windspear hills (last major quest left), so she's now my main squeeze until ToB.
Sadly Bodhi didn't know this with both babes in the party, so I had to drop Viconia outside my Planar Sphere so Bodhi would take Jaheira instead, leaving me with level 23 Viccy equipped with the Helm of Opposite Alignment to Turn-Undead explode all the Vampires in the lair.
Anomen and the Mace of Disruption helped a bit too, which wasn't entirely fair since both Viccy and Jaheira had both encouraged him to take revenge on Saerk previously, which I'd gone with in the interests of democracy and 'cos his repeated attempts to romance my male elf were not appreciated - no means no, buddy, so back off. Also he just ticks me off. Anyway, he kills Saerk's daughter, the Party disapproves, Reputation down from 20 to to 18, but Imoen needs her soul back so we'll move on and let karma deal with it.
Regardless, Jaheira got unvampired and I went to the Forest of Tethir for the nature-is-beautiful talk, where I noticed there's a gibbet in a tree. Ctrl+Jed Anomen in for a laugh and kicked him out of the party, saw he couldn't get to my PC to try to rejoin, which gave me an idea for Saerileth...:mischief:
Sadly, Anomen hadn't failed his Test yet, so he was Ctrl+Qed back into the party, and left at the Copper Coronet briefly while I Freedomed Saerileth for her upcoming stay in the Gibbet Hilton. However, since it'd been quite some time since she was Imprisoned, her pet demon showed up and took her away, which upon reflection saved me a trip, as I told Edorem. How convenient, now back to Anomen.
SKed his Test timer to 1, he failed, I took back my sweet gear, had Jan tell the tale of Ano the dung orc and gave him a standard Mace intending to either put him in the gibbet or leave him to go to drink with Daddy. This too was not to be - after telling him his hissy fit outside the Order showed he wasn't knightly material anyway he went nuts, turned hostile, and started attacking the party (Imoen actually, the only one who didn't pick on him or offer bad counsel - he seems to like beating innocent women). My PC is in Aslyferund Elven chain so that didn't work so well for Ano once my PC got his attention. PC pounded Ano with his bare hands for a while, knocked him out a few times as the party watched, then got bored and used Call Lightning to end poor Ano's torment. Immediately afterwards NG Jaheira, who likes our Rep 18, comes out with "Ah, our actions are good...":laugh:

Saerileth is not compatable with multiple romance if memory serves, might have something to do with the distortion which I've never experianced.

How could you even think about needing any other romance if you had Saerileth? Seriously you must be very evil have you ever seen what happens to her if you cheat on her? If your going to romance Saerileth alow her to be your beaken as she's meant to be. The gods may not be able to get involved directly with the Bhaal spawn but it seems Tyre had a special chosen one for just that purposs. If you have Saerileth's love what else could you possibly need?

Jordoo wrote:Saerileth is not compatable with multiple romance

Multiple romance tweaks are the main source of 95% of compatibility problems. Play through the game twice / three times instead of risking game crashes, dialogue buggs and more.

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(Saeri romance was nice, but it forced me to conquer the drow city instead of do it sneaky way. She got kidnapped when i was supposed to arive at Phaere's within one hour ^^)

stworca,
I always make sure any major event like that happens before heading off after Imoen because you never know how its coded as to what game locations it can happen in. Let me guess it happened at the inn in Ust Natha? The only place that you can also have love talks in the vanilla game. As an NPC romance Mod reguardless of wether or not you enjoyed the romance itself Saerileth has to rate very highly by any other formula IMO.

Stworca wrote:Multiple romance tweaks are the main source of 95% of compatibility problems. Play through the game twice / three times instead of risking game crashes, dialogue buggs and more.

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(Saeri romance was nice, but it forced me to conquer the drow city instead of do it sneaky way. She got kidnapped when i was supposed to arive at Phaere's within one hour ^^)

I've played it through a few times, this is just the first replay in a few years. The only glitch I've had so far was the multi-stronghold Keep not working (from the same Tweakpack) and a bunch of mages in the Slums with a dialogue file for names, none of whom have done anything besides stand there so I'm not too fussed. Still need to play through with Xan a bit.

Jordoo wrote:Saerileth is not compatable with multiple romance if memory serves, might have something to do with the distortion which I've never experianced.

How could you even think about needing any other romance if you had Saerileth? Seriously you must be very evil have you ever seen what happens to her if you cheat on her? If your going to romance Saerileth alow her to be your beaken as she's meant to be. The gods may not be able to get involved directly with the Bhaal spawn but it seems Tyre had a special chosen one for just that purposs. If you have Saerileth's love what else could you possibly need?

Maybe I'm just misunderstood.
I heard she dies - I was going to take her through and cheat on her just to see it :devil: but I figured Imoen needed the extra XP more.
As a practical matter, my core party for this run-through is CN elf archer PC, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen, and Jan (who is my all-time favourite NPC), with rotating quest NPCs for SoA and Sarevok to be the sixth member in ToB.
The fact that you can't drop Saeri even for a little while means once you pick her up you're stuck with her, so I couldn't do any other NPC quests and still develop my core party (without Imprison or the gibbet). She jumps on you as soon as she sees you so you can't pick her up at your convenience, and the fact that she doesn't have a short, simple quest means I can't take her, help her solve her problem, and then leave her with Mazzy to continue adventuring for goodness as I did with Valygar, Minsc, Haer'Dalis and Aerie (they're just standing around the Fentan home right now but I'm sure they'll get the idea sooner or later, Mazzy did want to create another party after all). Since she's very much Lawful Good she wouldn't fit in with my sneaky, uber-pragmatic, chaos-loving CN PC, so in this case she's a lousy choice as a party member (I have Jaheira and my PC, together with the occasional summons that's more than enough melee power for SoA), a character (doesn't fit with the Party vibe), and as a romantic interest (my PC doesn't like paladins, they cramp his style). Basically, if you take her Saerileth steals the show and she and my PC dance to very different tunes.
Also, evil is sexier than good, Viconia's hotter, and my elf PC prefers mature elven lovers to innocent, sheltered 15-year old human paladins.

That said, I am going to give Saeri a full whirl for my next game. I've rolled up a human Cavalier (name of Zap Freako, using the Zap Brannigan soundset and modelled on the same) especially for doing Saerileth. It'll be my Lawful Stupid knight campaign, with PC, Saerileth, and (Sir) Anomen. I'm not sure on the rest of the roster yet - I'll probably go with Aerie, Minsc and Imoen for the full-o'-goodness with all bases covered routine (3 fighter-types, 1 1/2 mages, 1 1/2 Clerics, 1 Thief), but I really want to take Keldorn for a full-of-Knights party along with Xan to be my Kif-equivalent.

So my current planned party setups are either Zap Freako (PC/melee), Saerileth (romance/melee), Anomen (melee/cleric), Aerie (backup mage/cleric), Minsc (melee/Aerie's protector), and Imoen (Thief/main mage), or...
PC, Saerileth, Anomen, Keldorn (melee/mage-killer), Xan (main mage/long-suffering sole voice of reason), Imoen (Thief/backup mage).

On the sound bit, having read up on the Worst of the Worst thread on Gamefaqs it's pretty obviously just a recording thing - my best friend is a sound technician and it sounds just like it was recorded a bit too close to the microphone is all. The Bard in Dungeon-Be-Gone has the same thing - credit where credit's due, both are still well done, it's just the Bioware NPCs are professionally recorded in-studio by accomplished career voice-actors.

You should be an Inquisitor rather than a Cavaleir for that Saerileth party, IMO.

I was just screwing with you about Saerileth, because she is almost my favorite romanceable NPC mod .... and I actually cannot bring myself to do anything bad to her when I've played after that first time when I slept with Phaeri

If it makes you feel better I'm sure Edorem managed to singlehandedly save her and they lived happily ever after.

The reviews I've heard have been along the lines of either very good or very bad, no in-betweens, so I'm looking forward to seeing it for myself. From what I've gathered she'd be great in the right kind of party/campaign - and it'd be nice to see the Purifier get some use for a change - but if you're playing anything other than uber-heroic charging-at-windmills she won't really work.
She destroyed my imported Blackrazor fer crying out loud!

Still, some new content will be welcome and I haven't actually done a righteous run before, so it should be interesting.

It makes me feel so much worse thinking that F*** Edorem has anything to do with Saerileth.

I think if you read the reviews you'll see that the bad reviews are mostly geered around either her age, her voice or just not liking the fact that a Paladin is not going to do certain things and will have a strong personality. But I think even those peopel would be hard pressed to say its not one of the better made Mods out there.

As far as her destroying Blackrazor I like it in the context of her character, she'll also react to really good items as well.

Jordoo wrote:I think if you read the reviews you'll see that the bad reviews are mostly geered around either her age, her voice or just not liking the fact that a Paladin is not going to do certain things and will have a strong personality. But I think even those peopel would be hard pressed to say its not one of the better made Mods out there.

It's been a while since I tried this mod out for some time, but as I recall, I had three issues with it. The first was a matter of overly quick romance progression mixed with delicate poetry, in the middle of a rugged war campaign on the roads and down in mines. It just seemed a bit too much of verbal finery for the location, and it came on too quickly. I think that if Saerileth had advanced been slower stages to that point, I would have been more receptive.

The second is poor scoping out of the player's actions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but

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aren't you attacked by Blackrazor, who is literally unbeatable until Saerileth's former lover shows up

? As I recall, I wasted out nearly my entire group attacking him. The conditions weren't clear that you were going after someone who is

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literally unbeatable by your party

. And I frankly have problems with unbeatables in games. If they're on the playing field, you should be able to kill them.

My third issue was the depiction of actions as narrated lines in present tense in dialog boxes. This isn't the way the game handles actions, and it sticks out by breaking the format.

Yeah, I know this all sounds like I didn't like it, but really, it is a good mod, a consistent one, and well done for its type.