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Unofficial Patch 8.5 has been released!

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Kölle Alaaf! Right on time for Karneval or Fasching here in Germany!

http://www.patches-scrolls.com/vampire_ ... nes.php#85

Special thanks go again to Burgermeister for perfecting the new
library level and EntenSchreck for restoring new disciplines :) !
Thanks also to Stosh, vladdmaster and Malkav for beta-testing!

Version Changelog:
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v8.5 07.02.2013
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+Shortened library level cutscene and killing actions at Ground Zero.
+Improved library riddle, boss navigation and fixed bookcase issues.
+Added and fixed some last library textures, thanks to burgermeister.
+Fixed idles with Imalia and Mitnick and changed horror tape titles.
+Made Nosferatu break Masquerade easier and Romero return once again.
+Restored Ocean House valve, sprinkler, cans, doors and some sounds.
+Fixed Danielle and Gimble problem and a misplaced Ocean House spark.
+Moved easter eggs hint from note to restored laptop at Luckee Star.
+Restored two menu effects and unused Pisha eyes for LaSombra female.
+Repaired Blood Shield light effect and updated Presentable history.
+Removed Domination's mass suicide to add sleep, thanks EntenSchreck.
+Restored Malkavian disciplines Veil and Voice, thanks EntenSchreck.
+Fixed Thaumaturgy disciplines not working again after player frenzy.
+Changed Jian into broadsword and armed Chang brother with a katana.
+Restored ten scenery props into sewers and Hallowbrook Hotel levels.
+Improved Bloodheal sound and restored HUD sounds and botch message.
+Added way to get a new discipline from Beckett, thanks EntenSchreck.
+Restored water, steam, fire and vomit effects, thanks EntenSchreck.
+Fixed dead guard acting at Skyeline Apartments and stuck headrunner.
+Restored character creation questions and a sewer-cabbie animation.
Improved tutorial popups and removed forced Andrei speech subtitles.
Prevented Tommy Flayton from writing restaurant review when killed.
Restored Heather before talking to Prince but referred to new haven.
Removed hatch reflection and updated and restored model sewer maps.
Deleted computer restorations from basic and restored two passwords.
Removed getting poster from VV in basic and fixed guard bodies bug.
Fixed double business card, clinic guard, Damsel and Isaac problems.
Repaired warrens and boiler pipes and reconciling sisters extra XP.
Added SweetFX to Extras folder, thanks for the tip to Caner Özdemir.
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Alaaf! Have fun. :)
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Small update: Somehow the option to get a new discipline got lost in the final patch and in the walkthrough. The hotfix 8.5.1 available fixes both!
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What does this discipline do anyway? Erm.. feel free to use a spoiler tag, I guess.
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It's a normal discipline, but one that the clan normally doesn't has. Troika intended to do something like this because we found an icon and the message "New Discipline Gained". Now Beckett can teach Gangrel Celerity and all non Gangrel Protean :) !
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Uh.. I can see why they removed that, it *really* breaks with the old WOD PNP. Only Diablerie can gain you foreign disciplines! :eek:

The only discipline that can be taught is Thaumaturgy, AFAIK. Thaumaturgy isn't really a discipline.. it's more of a scholarly tradition. Becket knows a bit of it in the Vampire books, so maybe he intended to teach it to the PC?
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There is really no other way than diablerie? Because lots of vampires in the game have non clan disciplines, like Strauss using Obfuscate.
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I'm not sure, you may want to ask around on the White Wolf or CCP forums. When does Strauss use Obfuscate? Maybe it was added to his profile simply to mimic one of the Rituals or Paths. Or because he's a 'wizard', heh. That's probably more likely.

If a vampire just drinks a bit of blood of another vampire, he temporarily gains some discipline usage. His aura also doesn't reveal him as a diablerist, because he never consumed the other vampire's soul in the process.
Sometimes clans have offshoots with unique disciplines, but such things are very rare occurrences and they're usually not part of the Camarilla. Either way, no vampire should have readily access to a foreign discipline, not even through study or tutelage (thaumaturgy being the exception (and MAYBE viscitude also, since it's sometimes treated as an infection rather than an ability)).

Can you give me an example of a vampire that uses a clan-foreign discipline in-game?

Edit: ** just occurred to me that Tremere probably have access to a wide range of blood, due to their blood stealing abilities. It leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
Edit 2 : ** Another, very wild conclusion one could draw from this, is that Strauss is an Assamite imposter. It's not unthinkable, since they too practice forms of Blood Magic, use Obfuscate and are infamous diablerists.
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At the moment I don't know about any others but Strauss uses Obfuscate in the Camarilla ending.
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I don't remember that ending very well, but I still assume it was only used for dramatic effect. I think most PNP fans would agree with me that it couldn't have been an actual discipline usage. It was 'storyteller magic' or something else.
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Disciplines can be taught. The Vampire Masquerade and Dark ages system allows you to get new disciplines. Of course you spend XP and as usual you need Storyteller approval. Successful diablerie "automatically" gives you a free dot in a discipline that the former vampire had without spending XP. As far as Gangrel are concerned. There are 2 types although some will argue that this is strictly the realm of the Sabbat but in fact when the gangrel left the camarilla in 1998 as I recall from the books many gangrel moved in and out of different organizations... so many gangrel had different abilities. It could be argued that the increase in human population necessitated the change.

Essentially country gangrel are your standard gangrel (fortitude, protean, animalism) .

The city gangrel are just as nasty perhaps more so... (Obfuscate, Celerity, Protean).
This combo allows for aggravated claw damage in the back without being seen and with celerity it turns the vamp into a real turbo ginsu. Multi-strike Aggravated claws... (cringe)...
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In the next patch version 8.6 Beckett teach all non-Gangrel Animalism or Fortidude, because Protean should be Gangrel exclusive.
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