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Hi @all !

I've got a tattoo. I still like it, but I probably won't get one NOW ..since I've grown up a little :D .... (I've had it for some years now... ;) )

Last weekend my GF told me that she would like to get pierced. (And NO she wasn't talking about her earlobes ....)
She didn't give me details on what or where she wanted it , yet, but from her I got the idea of posting this thread.

1) What's your opinion on such "fashion items" like "body piercings" or tattoos ?

2) Do you think it dangerous to the health to get pierced or tattooed?

3) Do you have a tatoo and/or piercings ? If yes - how long do you have it and would you do it again ?

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1) My opinion, i can understand why people get earings and other such things, in my opinion for women it is part of growing up for men it can be a fashion accessory or perhaps just an item they enjoy *shrugs* I am not sure why anybody puts nose rings in and then deface themselves with all manner of strange pieces of metal, it just seems strange to me, i would be interested to know why. Tattoos? it depends on the tattoo, seeing someone with a huge green faded "thing" on their body can be a little disconcerting.

2) It can be if not done in the correct surroundings. Piercings can quite often go septic, i have heard stories of people losing ears etc because of incorrect piercings...

3) Nope, don't plan on getting one anytime soon :)
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Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Mr Sleep

2) It can be if not done in the correct surroundings. Piercings can quite often go septic, i have heard stories of people losing ears etc because of incorrect piercings...

SO have I - and exactly that's the reason why I started this thread...

My s.o. says she'd like the look of a piercing (maybe the navel...I simply WON'T even THINK about other parts of her body getting mutilated...I'll have to ask her to get more specific tonight..) , but - same as you - I've heard very nasty stories...

I'll wait and hope for CE to show up and maybe she can give us some medical data on this...

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1)I think tattoos and piercings are ok, once you're old enough to make up your own mind about them. I've actually seen a documentary on National Geographic dealing with tattoo's and the like. People would actually go as far as having implants (beeds,...), which I, personally, thought was a bit too much.
2)I second Mr Sleep on this.
3)No piercings or tattoos.
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Re: Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Beldin
My s.o. says she'd like the look of a piercing (maybe the navel...I simply WON'T even THINK about other parts of her body getting mutilated...I'll have to ask her to get more specific tonight..) , but - same as you - I've heard very nasty stories...
As i see it Navel is about the safest area, but again i have heard stories about that as well, it depends i think on where she is going to get this done, are you going to an official parlour?

@Eerhardt, i had forgotten about implants, the beads is more like mutilation in my opinion, again i know of stories about these things that i just don't want to go into ;)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Mr Sleep

are you going to an official parlour?
We'll decide that after we have more information on the subject.

We have the possibility of going to a Doctor, a Piercing & Tattoo Studio, or of visiting some event (like a Tatoo Convention...) .

Wait and see.... maybe we'll alter the course and get both tattooed in some kind of "partnerlook"....

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Ok my 2 cents. If find nothing wrong with tattoos, but body piercing anything other than your ears. Ouch...i am shivering right now. It just ain't right in my opinion. Plus i also heard those stories, so it is even worse. Nope not going to get a tattoo or mutilated.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Beldin
We'll decide that after we have more information on the subject.
I would be sure to thoroughly check out their relevant credentials.

Is there a particular reason for this piercing or is it fashion? :)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Mr Sleep

Is there a particular reason for this piercing or is it fashion? :)
She's a Goldsmith by profession....she just likes jewellery and she likes the look of gold on skin.... ;)

@CM: Exactly my sentiments. A Tattoo (or two) yes, poking holes im my body - NEVER !

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A friend of mine got an eyebrow piercing down on leavers (Don't make decisions like this when you're stoned, kids :rolleyes: ) and it suited him pretty well. I guess it all boils down to personal choice. Re. piercings specifically stay away from powerful fridge magnets.

I'd go for the doctor, myself, but tattoo parlors (provided they're well run/responsible) can be good too.

I don't have any piercings/tattoos myself, but I have though about getting a discrete silver ring in each earlobe once or twice, I've never actually done so however. My cousin got an earring and it got a humungous blood clot that was too painful to touch (We had some fun trying to get rid of that) and a friend of mine had a tingue stud that went infected, so I doubt I'll ever go for anything other than the ears. I've never wanted to get a tattoo, but I can't see any problems with them either.
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Originally posted by Beldin
She's a Goldsmith by profession....she just likes jewellery and she likes the look of gold on skin.... ;) /B]


Some people just like jewelry i can understand that :) Since it is the bellybutton i would assume it is not an expression and it is in fact something more personal, i say go for it, just be careful :) :cool:

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Infected tongue?
Blood clot that hurt?
Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch!

I am never getting pierced. In the east, girls get their ears pierced at like 4 or 5. My sisters were pierced at 4. But man nothing else. How can you have something sticking out of your tongue or eye brow.... *shudders*

Beldin what type of tattoo do you have?
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Re: Tattoos & Piercings
Originally posted by Mr Sleep

Since it is the bellybutton i would assume it is not an expression and it is in fact something more personal
SInce I know me girl for some time now I'm afraid that SHE meant something even MORE personal than the bellybutton, but I still have to verify my impression... ;) ...I'm sure we'll have SOME talks about that before she really get's something - well - INTRUDING.... :D

Originally posted by CM

Beldin what type of tattoo do you have?

I got an "Harley Davison" - type eagle on my left shoulderblade.... I'll look if I have a photo and post it in here...

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For personaly preferences I don't like tatoos, piercings or earrings; I only use rings and necklaces.

But I like piercings in others bodys :D :D :D .

About three edition ago of the Medicine most important journal in Brazil comes with an Study made up in USA proving that piercings in the tongue increase the probability of tongue cancer in XX%, sorry, I don't remember how is XX% and I don't find the journal now. So, if anyone is thinking in put piercing in the tongue, better to check this kind of things before with a good Doctor. In the same Study they said other places of the body, if well made, do not show any problem, other than rejection and alergy(also happens with earrings).

Personally, I like piercing in the "centerbody"(I don't know the right word, I mean the place where was once the end or the begining of the umbilical chord.) or in the uppereyes(hope this word exist).
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Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings
Originally posted by Beldin
SInce I know me girl for some time now I'm afraid that SHE meant something even MORE personal than the bellybutton, but I still have to verify my impression... ...I'm sure we'll have SOME talks about that before she really get's something - well - INTRUDING....
Hmmmm i get what you are referring to ;)
Personally, I like piercing in the "centerbody"(I don't know the right word, I mean the place where was once the end or the begining of the umbilical chord.) or in the uppereyes(hope this word exist).


It is called the Bellybutton, which we referred to earlier :)
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Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings
Originally posted by Beldin
I got an "Harley Davison" - type eagle on my left shoulderblade.... I'll look if I have a photo and post it in here...
Here you are....


No worries,

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I have earrings, although other piercings and tattoos aren't my thing. I first got my ear pierced when I was 14 because I knew it would piss off my father. After my first earring, I had to have another. After the second, he stopped being annoyed at my requests for more earrings, so I quit asking. My senior year, I went back and got three more earrings because chicks dig guys with earrings.

I have never considered getting a tattoo because the idea of permanent body scarring doesn't turn me on. Nor does the prospect of having something on my body that will look like a c0ckroach in 25 years (unless you touch them up, they all end up looking like insects). I know some people who have tattoos (my brother and sister to name two), but when I talk to people in their 40s and 50s, most of them regret getting the tattoo on their shoulder that they picked up while in college or in the service.

I think that some places are more hygenic than others and that body art boils down to personal preference. There is a place in Daytona, FL called something like the "Snake Pit" which has an outer room filled with snakes, lizards, all of the art books and paraphernalia associated with piercing and tattoos. However, once you go into their back rooms, the place looks like a doctor's office (and is cleaner than most). The staff is professional and hygenic and is probably the safest place in the state to get body art.

If you're considering body art, cleanliness and sterility should be your first concern. You want to make sure they meet or exceed local health guidelines and you should ask about their policy on switching needles and cleaning piercing instruments. If you bruise easily or are prone to infections, blood clots or bleeding, you should probably ask you doctor before you get any of the more extreme body art.
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Since I do acupuncture as part of my practice, I get alot of questions about body modification (tattoos, body piercing, etc.). Body modification has a long history and at one time formed a meaningful part of certain rituals designed to allow the participant to in some way transcend the body, passage into manhood being one of them. The practice of mehndi or the creation of henna tattoos on occasions such as weddings is another. Like the use of psychotropic drugs, such as mescaline, that once had a spiritual antecedent, taking such things out of their original context can result in an mundane experience that can be little more than acquiescing to peer pressure. An interesting point that has been made by some spiritual teachers, like Caroline Myss, is that the current resurgence in body modification is a crying out for the inclusion of a more meaning spiritual path within a culture that has become sidetracked by materialism.

There actually are some standards both in piercing and in tattooing. These include:

Use of sterile, single-use needles
Use of single-use vials of local anaesthetic
Use of single-use dressing trays
Use of single-use sterile gloves
Appropriate cleaning of the skin with antimicrobial agents prior to the procedure

Problems with infection and skin reactions to piercing is often due either poor sterile technique or the use of poor quality metal in the jewelry. Nickel is the main offender and is known to cause a contact dermatitis in susceptible individuals. Acceptable materials for body piercings include high quality stainless steel, Niobium, Titanium, solid 14k or 18k white or yellow gold, solid platinum, and dense low-porosity plastic such as Tygon or PTFE. Appropriate jewelry has no nicks, scratches burrs or irregular surfaces that might harm the tissue. Safety pins and other household objects are not acceptable body piercing implements. Body modification needs to occur in a sterile environment in order to negate the potential for HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and other such infections.

Patients will often ask me if a piercing will stimulate an acupuncture point. It does not seem to, perhaps because of the way it penetrates the skin or perhaps because the body accommodates to it. The other consideration is that, except in some exotic systems, an acupuncture treatment concerns a complex of points working together synergistically, not simply a single point being stimulated in isolation.
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Re: Re: Re: Tattoos & Piercings - Lifestyle or health hazard ? (no Spam please)
Originally posted by Beldin
I'll wait and hope for CE to show up and maybe she can give us some medical data on this...
I don't have any epidemiological data handy right now, but I know that piercing increase the risk of infection, whereas tatoos do now, except the when you get them.

It is common that piercing cause infections and fistels, although I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "health hazard" except for tongue piercing. Tongue piercing is not recommended by medical professions since the risk for complication like respiratory problems, uncontrolled bleeding, tissue damage and infection is considerable. Mucuos membranes in the mouth, nose and genitalia are more susceptible to infection than the skin is, so all those areas are more risky than for instance the eyebrows or the ears.

Something for your gf to consider if she wants an genital piercing, is the risk for nerve damage which hardly would enhance her sex life.

Now, to your questions:

1. Some people look great in tattoos and piercings, but IMO they are few :D

2. The health risks of tattoos and piercing is well documented, so there is no doubt about this. However, it's also a considerable health risk to drink alcohol, smoke, drive a car, getting into a bathtub, etc - it's a health risk to live.

3. I don't have a tattoo or piercing, and I'm not going to get one. I had my left earlobe pierced as a kid, and many years later (I didn't even use earrings any longer) I got an chronic infection and a fistel so I actually had to undergo surgery to remove it. (The fistel, not the earlobe, luckily)
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1) I don't care for most piercings, even in the ear. Its just my personal preference. I like skin, and nothing but skin. :D Encountering a foreign object during, uh, shall we say 'exploration' of someone's skin is akin to encountering a pimple, unsightly mole, or goiter (depending on size of object). ;)

Sometimes tattoos can be appealing, but as previously noted, they don't age well. And I am of an age where that is a concern. :o

2) Of course there are risks involved.

3) I have no piercings or tattoos. I have mulled the idea of getting a tattoo someday, but I always hit on the same sticking point - what symbol or image would I want to permanently display on my body? It has to be something that would last my life, and since my personal self-image has changed radically several times over the years, I just know that whatever I chose now will be of little interest to me in the future.

These days, I don't even like wearing t-shirts with pictures on them. I want to be identified as myself, not by what ever is emblazoned on my chest. :)

Originally posted by thantor3
An interesting point that has been made by some spiritual teachers, like Caroline Myss, is that the current resurgence in body modification is a crying out for the inclusion of a more meaning spiritual path within a culture that has become sidetracked by materialism.
That is an interesting idea. I would have been more cynical and would have said that the rise in piercing among the young is their attempt to be noticed, to rebel, to be different from both the generation before and from each other. I would have thought that Shock-Value had a lot to do with the trend, at least at first. Now it seems to have boiled down to a fashion trend, and people will lose interest in it as soon as it become common-place and perceived as mundane. What will be the next trend, I wonder?
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