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finished ascention, with bun bun ver 3.2 or so,

(yes, kiddies, as soon as chloe, or one of the new mods is out, version 4 will be out...inquisitor immunies...)

but wes, is seriously sneaky...one of the best ways to spring an ambush, if you are teleported to a killzone, is to have aerie load up all spell slots in priest spell 7th level with summon deva, and have jahiera load up with g elemental summons....use potion swap for jahiera and chain contingency scrolls, and have aerie cast chain, and set to see enemy, summon deva, summon deva, summon deva....

you can field instantly 6 g elementals and devas, in one round, this gives you enough time to project image and summon planetars with bun bun if you still need MORE firepower...most of the time, this group can whack anything and everything...

but wes nerfed it, so you get one deva and elemental, and once that one is gone, the second one is auto summoned, etc....

very annoying, but at least ascention did not nerf the project image to bypass creature summon limits...


regeneration is becoming a fav spell of mine, it keeps the weaker party members alive in some very difficult fights, and since i took bun bun, savvy, jahirea, aerie, nalia and immie, most of my party is quite weak....

next time, i think i will convert savvy to berserker kit, straight fighters are just too weak for wes's very nice and quite fun slug fests....

actually i dont much like the fight based mods as much as the relationsjip based mods...

might download tashia again, or just wait for new kelcy, with immie and kelcy romance....i have heard so many good things about it...

say, does sola nerf using chain contingency to bypass summon limits???

if so, then my cheapest tactic i wanted to try on eclipse is gone...grrrr.....

Ascension wasn't made by Wes anyway....

Littiz is right.

And, by the way, Littiz, welcome back!!



Cheers

welcome back, littiz...

so does sola mod nerf using chain contingency to bypass summon limit, i dont think so, i think i recall using this in sola...

so the weidu version of davids ascention still has all the little tricks by david, eh???

no real surprise, as davids worked on the balderdash patches, and he nerfed stacking armor of faith and hardiness...

still surprised wes did not implement this in sola, as this would be the best way to spank eclipse party on their tushes....


i mean, the eclipse is so evil, even bun bun lost it...

you teleport into the area, so no summons before fight, and the summons will ignore your summons, and they stack spell immunites, so they are almost invulnerable to magic, stacked dragon breaths dont work, and a constant zone of sweet air prevents one of my fav tricks, stacking elemental prot and energy prot on each party member , via sorcs, and having all mages chain triple inc clouds to self, creating a damage radius of elemental damage around each mage, thus enemys that get into meelee range die fast....

but oh man, ascention was nasty, until i realized if you can kill the initial party fast, and quick, you can then have your sorc project image, and summon 5-8 planetars for the next assault group....

the final group was really nasty, ended up with 20 plantars, to soak up attack,

project image, image casts timestop, inc acuity, summon, summon, summon, summon, summon, dispell magic to dump image,

rince and repeat....

images have a great advantage over simmys, and why i love them over simmies, you can create armies very fast, using images, since once you have expended the summon slots for the image, teh image can dispell magic and auto suicide, rather than having a npc kill the simmy for you....

yes, kiddies, i know almost ALL the image tricks, but simmies i dont know at all welll...

@ User --

How on earth you managed to summon 5-8 Planetars?

Every time I have tried to summon a second the spell is cancelled because "I can't not have more than of that kind..." or something like that anyway.

Well...???

Thanx guys, a little sun-burned but I'm still alive!!

Congrats for the work, User!!!
(Still I think you'd have more fun beating it without
the aid of 20 planetars, though )
In truth, simmies are great as much as images, for they
are able to attack!
As you may remember, I used for Ascension BOTH simmies and
images, this way you can have A LOT firepower with no need
to exceed the summon-limit.
Actually, just my simmie alone killed four of the five...

I suggest to experiment a bit with simmies. Maybe you'll come
out with some fine tricks to share with us!
They're really fun, especially with casters, when you have
to micro-manage the spell POSITION in the book to decide
the spells you want for them.....
I mean, being simmies they can act even in a SUICIDE way,
so it's important to choose their spells!!!!!

i always boost bun bun to lv 40 sorc, with xp cap remover, and the simmie when cast will always have same spell table as original...no surprise there,

i wonder how the game engien will process simmie tables for a lower level sorc???? i cant adjust the spell positions, since this is a sorc, after all, anybody know???


au contrare, littiz, images can indeed attack, and in such a vicous way, set up chain contingency image, image image, have each cast spell immunity div right away, then shapechange to mind flayer....

a shapeshifted image can attack meelee...and with bun bun, the image is mindflayer, with kensai thaco, and g whirlwind, will drain a dragon in ONE round, before the wing buffet blows the image away...

giggle...

was draconis ever so surprised....

aubrey, one of the most evil cheese ever, and the one that got me started on the path to cheesy high mastery, ( at this point bun bun has 4 stars in cheese, right along side 5 stars in two handed swords, halberds, and long swords...) though we all strive to be as good as xyx and others who have moved on to other games, i think i am the last cheesemaster left...

wahh.....snifle, snifle....

anyway, aubrey, if you cast project image, or simmie and start summoning, the game engine ignores the 5 summon rule, and the 1 summon rule for planetars and g elementals...

once had 20 skellies in windspear hills...

and chain contingency also allows you to summon multiple images and simmies...

load up a chain with 3 images or simmies, set to cast when see enemy, and if you play a sorc, or bun bun, do it several times to build a army of clones.....

a simmie casting image, the rules become strange, i think its a recursive reguritation in the stack....giggle...

in many ways, simmies are better than images, but i am a image person, and do not know simmies all that well...


a simmie cannot be dispelled, thats its greath strength and weakness....

images can be dispelled, thus allowing you to cast, summon, summon, until all summons are used up, dispell and quickly repeat the process, but a simmie cant be dispelled, and you have to get rid of the clone before you summon another simmie...

also, if you use chain contingency to summon multiple images or simmies, all the clones will use the same "pool" of spells, so you dont have 21 summon planetars with 3 clones, just 7...

but mislead clones which are summons, limited to 5, can be summoned in sequence, you can cast mislead over and over, and if you use a project image, you can summon a army of clones....

and mislead clones can each use enhanced bard song....

just about teh only reason for ever taking a bard....

but the mislead clones are better distractors than wiz eye...if left visible, they auto force all enemy ai to go for them, and if the enemy has no dispell or true sight ability, they are invulnerable, if you cast mass inc on them, they are a better door blocker than wizeye, as you can make lots of them, very easily..and unless you remove wizeye.cre file from override directory, tob nerfs the old wizeye, and it only takes a few hits to die...

What can I tell, Littiz & User? Your company has always been quite educating!

I think I'm going to give a try to those User's tricks with simulacrum and project images... I have to beat this Imp. Irenicus freak. Still!



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aubrey, something about a undead guy was mentioned in littiz post about imp irenicus, so read this....

http://gamebanshee.com/forums/showthrea ... genumber=2

if this weenie is immune to magic, ring of ram is great....now i know you read this forum wes, so you can take a little creative critisism, eh????

your protected from magic weps enemies are immune to normal weapons!!! are they using stacked prot from magic weps and mantle, improved mantle, or absolute immunity???

it really would be just like wes, actually...sneaky is his middle name....

i think i re download sola later to see if bun bun version 4 will take it....


so aubrey, try using ring of ram to PUSH the bugger out of range, and then image and summon devas (they come with improved mace of disruption) and wait until the stacked spell immunites and protections run out...

takes kurisan abotu 10 rounds...

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
your protected from magic weps enemies are immune to normal weapons!!! are they using stacked prot from magic weps and mantle, improved mantle, or absolute immunity???

IIRC, this has been mentioned somewhere...although the text says pro magic, the spell used is improved mantle. But I may be wrong.

I surrender, "normal" gaming strategies hold no interest for you!
I knew you would say this, attack with shapechanged images...
Poor, old simmies.....

I think you're wrong about Wes' buddies: happened to me too, when Imp. Irenicus had a Prot. Magical Weapons active, the first shots at him with normal weapons inflicted no harm, then they worked......
To me this means Stoneskin!

I wouldn't use the ring for the wraith, you may strongly need it against Irenicus... (of course, if you recharge it in the bag, there's no point in arguing )

@ Littiz --

But you can have two rings of the Ram: one pickpocketed from Tolgerias in Government District, and the one you loot from his body when you kill him in Planar Sphere.


Cheers

Originally posted by Littiz
Thanx guys, a little sun-burned but I'm still alive!!

Welcome back, Littiz!
I'm back from a vacation, too, and i got sun-burned, too!
Oh well, i live near the sea, so i'm used to it...

Originally posted by Aubrey
@ Littiz --

But you can have two rings of the Ram
...

Ah, but you can have more then two, my friend!
That's one of the amazing things about clones - the cloning-equipment effect is just too powerful. Exploiting it, you can have all the rams you ever wanted... This way, you can kill even Kangaxx (Demilich form) himself with nothing more then 2 Rings of Ram and a Vhailor's Helm!

@ Alson --

Ah, but you can have more then two, my friend! That's one of the amazing things about clones - the cloning-equipment effect is just too powerful.

Psst! Can you, please, explain it to me? I'm not sure I understand this "cloning-equipment" bit...

I cannot be caged.
I cannot be controlled.
(I probably cannot be contained either)

Understand this as you die,
ever pathetic, ever fools.

Oh! I'm just happy you have added that little extra third line!



Cheers

Originally posted by Aubrey
Psst! Can you, please, explain it to me? I'm not sure I understand this "cloning-equipment" bit...

Of course!
Everytime you cast a clone spell (the clone spells are Mislead, Project Image and Simmie), your clone will have your exact set of equipment - weapon, armor, rings, amulet, EVERYTHING - including even the items in your quick item slots!
So, a fighter/mage of any level, with two rings of ram can cast simmie using the Vhailor's Helm, and his simmie will have the two rings, TOO!
Now, each of you have two charges of the ring - which means 4 charges, enough to kill even the mighty Kangaxx, IIRC!!!
But that's not all.
Your solo fighter/mage can only cast level 6th spells, but you really want to kill a dragon? Fear not! Equip all your highest level scrolls (really useful if you have a Timestop scroll!) in your quick item slots. Now, using the helm, cast simmie.
the Simmie itself may be weak, but it doesn't matter when he can cast Timestop, Spellstrike, Abi Dalzim, Mordies... Well, you get the picture .

Originally posted by Aubrey
Oh! I'm just happy you have added that little extra third line!

LOL!
I just couldn't resist!

Aaah! I have done it many times but still I didn't think that was what you were talking about! Thanks a lot!

I just couldn't resist!

LOL
Every time I read it I laugh to tears! It gives a somewhat comical tone to his saying! Okay, I need a little laugh to take courage till I beat him...


Cheers

Originally posted by Aubrey
Aaah! I have done it many times but still I didn't think that was what you were talking about! Thanks a lot!

No problem, friend!

Has anyone ever tried making tons of simmies/project images and slayer transforming them?