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This is a RANT... If you like Lotr or peter jackson.. stay away, far away...

And I just saw somone praising peter jackson on a msg board and that makes now ive 'waxed sorely pissed' (Ho ho, dumb quote)

Add to that I just had a peek at the Two towers trailer...

Who is this fat bearded idiot anyway?

Ill tell you....

He is first and formost... A Hollywood patsy, a small time nothing whos name they can plaster the film with so as to absorb all negative critisism and direct it away from the parent company
He is the director of 'heavanly creatures' the slowest most uninspired peice of garbage ever made
He is the director of the B horror movie 'Braindead' I dont think I need to reinforce how bad this is
He is a insipid bloated idiot, a moronic talentless feind who carried around a thousand dollar copy of the book while on set.. Do I need to point out how sickeningly lame that is?

And we all know why he carried the book around with him, so he knew which bits to irevocably destroy

WARNING....

If you havent seen braindead and Heavanly creatures do NOT defend pj's directorial incompetense or your points will be dissmised as ingnorant nothings
Likewise if you havent read the book (I doubt any of the people on this forum havent, there is a good level of intelligence and taste here.. unlike many other less blessed forums)

So I watch the two towers trailer... Whats wrong with it?

Everything, it looks like sad swill

Whats wrong with fellowship?

Its complete garbage...

Viggo Mortenson is an idiot watch 'The Prophecy' and I CHARGE YOU to come up with a single difference in his composure, accent of style from when he played lucifer to when he played Aragorn

The sad 'Shaggy and Scooby' style comic releif of Merry and pippin does not deserve to be commented on

My final point is... This movie cost ALLOT of money, money that could have been put to better use building a big fire to burn every copies of the LAST lame attempt to capture lotr's as a movie

But the money was spent, and the result is a sad nothing...

Blatant mistakes, lame inconsitensies... The carelesness is frankly disgusting

Are we told that Narsil is reforged? Nope... Oh my, they made THAT mistake in BAKSHIS FREAKING VERSION!!!

Where did the horses go when everyone hid from sarumans spy birds? ... Gandalf probably put them in his bag of holding no doubt

Does anyone have any idea how long it would take FOR A FREAKIN MOTH to get from Orthanc to the eagles lair? LONGER THAN IT TOOK, THATS HOW LONG... Wth was wrong with just putting in Radagast like they were supposed to?

Saruman did not invent frikken uruk hai! Sauron did! Dont tell me im wrong, becouse I know.. He invented them the same time he invented Olog hai and used them to sack Osgilaith Saruman Bred Half-orcs not Uruks

Every scene with Sarumans Homosexual tantrum (Ala Jeremy irons) lines and acting style stunk! Profion from the D&d movie made a better evil wizard!!!!

Sir Ian, His lines were so foul I couldnt tell if it was him that stunk or just the akward garbage they had him spray at everyone

ELVES....

I find it odd, that mr Half-breed nothing Elrond got Gil-Galads role at Dagorlad, instead of being a Punk Herald like he was supposed to and I found it amusing and disturbing that an actor who once played a crossdresser is now playing a man bashing elf... Your half man you goon! Aragorn, Isulder.. YOUR RELATED TO THEM!!!!!

Oh my god, could they have made the Lothlorien elves any more gay? And how come Aragorn suddenly knows Haldir? (Did they have a sordid gay affair in pj's late night fantasies that he accidently wound into the script?)

Bah! Im disgusted.. and I didnt even make it to the two towers, fffttt... Bah!

So now theyve reinforced my idea that Film is the only medium in which you dont have to be good at (Or even know how to do) your job in order to get praise and whats more, get paid

Im going to break my keyboard if i keep typing to im going now..And remember, if you dont have anything bad to say.. dont say anything at all

I have no intention of getting into any arguments over this, we're all entitled to our opinmions, but this does offend me a bit:

He is the director of 'heavanly creatures' the slowest most uninspired peice of garbage ever made

I have no problem if this is due to ignorance, but Heavenly Creatures is a true story, won several awards and is considered one of the best films ever made in New Zealand. The events portrayed in that film were one of the worst crimes in this country at the time, and a bit of respect would be appreciated.

I have my own issues with the movie adaption of LOTR....but must you really include the homophobic rant as part of your critique? I don't know how great your powers of perception are, but if you take the time to look you will find that, unlike at other forums, such commentary is not generally common at SYM.

ahhhh...

'Here comes the flame boy' (ho ho ho, dumb quote)

Yes, Heavenly creatures may have been a true story.. But so would a movie of me going down the shops to buy a load of bread, in the same way people would think that example is boring, I think the movie to be boring
As for citing awards and expecting me to give a crap, consider the amount of Oscar nominations lotr's has, then read my post again then rethink the whole method of using film awards to change my opinion
Im sorry mr Flibble but art be it based on truth or purely fictional is not something wich you 'Must respect' its personal, and I hate it... You dont have to hate it, but I do and I dont have to respect either and not a soul on earth can make me, thats called free will

And ill end that by saying, a person shouldnt have to brand the words 'In my opinion' all over something related to a genre that has no fact involved, there are no facts in art.. Everything is opinion so I dont feel I should have to clarify that my opinion is my opinion when it is obvoisly the case.. given the content of the thread and the subject it deals with

As for the homophobia, be serios...

A comment made about a Fictional character and somone I do not know, for the purposes of trying to blend some humour into why exactly Pj's Aragorn knew pj's Haldir is not homophobic nor is it discriminatory or malicous..

Infact... I wonder if you would say the same if Haldirs character was a woman, becouse I see no difference.. Though im gathering by what you say that you do infact, draw a line and see a difference...

And infact, I find that very annoying... If you cant actually give a reasonable account of why im wrong, without resorting to the rancid cliche of picking out everything you deem to be descriminatory or taboo, your just not trying.. becouse there much better stuff in my rant you could be citing

Now! After you have read that post...

Read it again, carefully... Look at key words like *IF* and PLEASE realise, it is NOT meant as a personall slur against anyone, nor should it be taken that way....

Why I ask... you do not simply read the rant

ignore that with which you do not agree with and accept that which you do and instead of trying to Disprove my opinion (Which is impossible not to mention borish) Bring up points of your own pertaining to what you beleive about the movie..

I dont think DWs point was against speculations about homosexual relations between fictional characters, But rather the fact that you included homosexual and gay as a part of your codemning rant against LoTR.

If you really want it to be funny you could try to include more serious critique instead of just dismissing everything as gay, idiotic, garbage, lame etc. Just a friendly advice.

Originally posted by Dottie
I dont think DWs point was against speculations about homosexual relations between fictional characters, But rather the fact that you included homosexual and gay as a part of your codemning rant against LoTR.

If you really want it to be funny you could try to include more serious critique instead of just dismissing everything as gay, idiotic, garbage, lame etc. Just a friendly advice.

The fact is this...
And dont say it isnt, becouse this is the fact of my INTENT and you do not know my intent, do not allude to knowing.. it a pig headed thing to do...
my INTENT was to draw a point of how disjointed the story is, using sarcasm to point out that in the book Haldir did not infact know Aragron...
And im very sorry but theres nothing Illegal in using Homosexuals in an analogy or a metaphor, even if it is meant to be humerous.. Infact, its discrimnatry for you to say I cant.. It also shows that you have a big fat nasty line in your mind, seperating homosexuals from 'normal' people as if they have a different set of rights

And its funny...

VERY FUNNY

HI-LARIOS INFACT

Thats "This is a RANT... If you like Lotr or peter jackson.. stay away, far away..."

This being a rant and all.. Ya know?

You will find Valid argument, you will also find emotionally driven critisism, that has no basis in fact (There is no fact in art, so dont make me go over that again)

Do not be so arbitrary and self deluded as to say with iron certainty that my post simply is, and I quote "just dismissing everything as gay, idiotic, garbage, lame etc."

When you obvoisly cant understand certain phrases in the post, who are you to make such a judgment?

There is no more.........

Given that I have warned people who like Lotr's to stay away and have been sumarrily ignored and then flamed for them reading things they do not like the look off

I officially abandon this post...

Included quote just for reference.

Originally posted by gnomethingy

Every scene with Sarumans Homosexual tantrum (Ala Jeremy irons) lines and acting style stunk! Profion from the D&d movie made a better evil wizard!!!!

-snip-

Oh my god, could they have made the Lothlorien elves any more gay? And how come Aragorn suddenly knows Haldir? (Did they have a sordid gay affair in pj's late night fantasies that he accidently wound into the script?)

@Gnomethingy:
Im sorry if you missunderstood me, but I did not meant that including homosexuality in your post was bad in any way, the discriminating thing is that you use it in such a way it gets a negative connection (as an insult). If you had started a thread with speculations about the possible homosexual realations in LoTR without condemning undertones it would have been fine imo.

Also I know your post contained some serious arguments, my point was (I admitt perhaps worded in a bad way) that they were hidden under too much pointless insults. I have nothing to do with your view on humor though, so i will stay away from this in the future.

And at last, I do infact dislike both LoTR and PJ, but I dont think that is relevant at all, since my point was not to prove you wrong in you criticism of either.

Anyone Remember The Diaries ??

So much for the inherent homosexuality in LotR.

-and no, I won't say anymore on "LotR - the Film". * *

No worries,

Beldin

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Who is this fat bearded idiot anyway?

He is first and formost... A Hollywood patsy, a small time nothing whos name they can plaster the film with so as to absorb all negative critisism and direct it away from the parent company

I rather doubt that Newline Cinema is using Peter Jackson as a buffer against any bad press LotR: TFotR is getting. Especially since the film overall got very positive reviews, as well as recognition from the Academy awards (it got 5 Oscars). Regardless of whether one thinks the movie is trash or not (or doesn't give a rat's ass about the Oscars), the truth is that the majority of public supports the film. The movie has been a huge financial success; Newline doesn't need a scapegoat to ward off criticism.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
He is a insipid bloated idiot, a moronic talentless feind who carried around a thousand dollar copy of the book while on set.. Do I need to point out how sickeningly lame that is?

He seems like a decent enough sort, judging from all the documentary footage and comments from the cast and crew (though I suppose it could all be a huge scam to hide his true nefarious intentions) . Also, I fail to see how making a personal attack (i.e. picking on a man's weight) is a relevant way to criticize someone's directing ability.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Viggo Mortenson is an idiot watch 'The Prophecy' and I CHARGE YOU to come up with a single difference in his composure, accent of style from when he played lucifer to when he played Aragorn

Well it's not uncommon for actors to keep their native accent when working on a film (look at Schwarzenegger or Connery). As for Viggo's Aragorn being identical to his Lucifer? I don’t see it, though admittedly it has been a while since I last saw "The Prophecy."

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Are we told that Narsil is reforged? Nope... Oh my, they made THAT mistake in BAKSHIS FREAKING VERSION!!!

They didn't mention Narsil's re-foring because it hasn't happened yet in the film version of the Fellowship. Anduril (the reforged Narsil, for the layman) is given to Aragorn in "The Return of the King" when he achieves his destiny and becomes King of Gondor. Is was thought this would add resonance to the whole re-forging deal. I can't say I disagree with this.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Where did the horses go when everyone hid from sarumans spy birds? ... Gandalf probably put them in his bag of holding no doubt

Horses? The only equine the Fellowship brings with them in the film (and the book as well, if I remember correctly) is Bill the Pony. And as I look through my copy of TFotR, Tolkien himself never explicitly says where they stick him as the crebain fly by.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Does anyone have any idea how long it would take FOR A FREAKIN MOTH to get from Orthanc to the eagles lair? LONGER THAN IT TOOK, THATS HOW LONG...

Supposedly Gandalf told the moth to contact Radagast. So he didn't talk to Gwaihir directly.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Wth was wrong with just putting in Radagast like they were supposed to?

Time constraints, and to avoid audience confusion by introducing another Istari (Wizard) who disappears from the story immediately hereafter. People would be wondering why Radagast wasn't helping with the quest, and explaining his intensions would soak up even more time that could be better spent elsewhere.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Every scene with Sarumans Homosexual tantrum (Ala Jeremy irons) lines and acting style stunk!

Homosexual tantrum? I'm not sure where this is coming from.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Profion from the D&d movie made a better evil wizard!!!!

Hey now, let's not say things we can't take back.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Sir Ian, His lines were so foul I couldnt tell if it was him that stunk or just the akward garbage they had him spray at everyone

Garbage? A number of his lines are taken straight from the book. But to each his own I suppose...

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Oh my god, could they have made the Lothlorien elves any more gay? And how come Aragorn suddenly knows Haldir? (Did they have a sordid gay affair in pj's late night fantasies that he accidently wound into the script?)

I am sensing a theme...

@gnomethingy, You're free to hate the film (more power to you) but a little tact would serve you better.

Re: Re: Lotr peter jackson and how they lowered my opinion of humankind

Originally posted by Kayless
I rather doubt that Newline Cinema is using Peter Jackson as a buffer against any bad press LotR: TFotR is getting. Especially since the film overall got very positive reviews, as well as recognition from the Academy awards (it got 5 Oscars). Regardless of whether one thinks the movie is trash or not (or doesn't give a rat's ass about the Oscars), the truth is that the majority of public supports the film. The movie has been a huge financial success; Newline doesn't need a scapegoat to ward off criticism.

And of course, New line can see into the Future (Slaps head) .. How silly of me....

He seems like a decent enough sort, judging from all the documentary footage and comments from the cast and crew (though I suppose it could all be a huge scam to hide his true nefarious intentions) . Also, I fail to see how making a personal attack (i.e. picking on a man's weight) is a relevant way to criticize someone's directing ability.

The fact is, he is fat.. I can call him fat, no one can stop me he also has a beard, I also think he is an idiot and a worthless patsy to boot... Maybe you dont, once again.. Whoops, theres that free will kicking in again


Well it's not uncommon for actors to keep their native accent when working on a film (look at Schwarzenegger or Connery). As for Viggo's Aragorn being identical to his Lucifer? I don’t see it, though admittedly it has been a while since I last saw "The Prophecy."

Common it may be, but accaptable it certainly is not..

Becouse something happens allot, just to quote a few things such as rape and murder.. doesnt mean its ok


They didn't mention Narsil's re-foring because it hasn't happened yet in the film version of the Fellowship. Anduril (the reforged Narsil, for the layman) is given to Aragorn in "The Return of the King" when he achieves his destiny and becomes King of Gondor. Is was thought this would add resonance to the whole re-forging deal. I can't say I disagree with this.

You have your own opinions on this, it is to inteprative for me to say its wrong or rigth (Or anyone else for that matter)

Horses? The only equine the Fellowship brings with them in the film (and the book as well, if I remember correctly) is Bill the Pony. And as I look through my copy of TFotR, Tolkien himself never explicitly says where they stick him as the crebain fly by.

Tolkein gives more time in the scene, the Crebain are noticed earlier by Legolas and they have minutes to hide, unlike the seconds they have in the movie...

Supposedly Gandalf told the moth to contact Radagast. So he didn't talk to Gwaihir directly.

And yet nothing entails that he does this, infact.. his constant mentioning of the word 'Gwaihir' couses me to think its not true, weather it is or isnt.. It seves my point that in this instance there was no reason to change the book plot and it serves only to confuse and annoy

Time constraints, and to avoid audience confusion by introducing another Istari (Wizard) who disappears from the story immediately hereafter. People would be wondering why Radagast wasn't helping with the quest, and explaining his intensions would soak up even more time that could be better spent elsewhere.

Such as a fiteen minute interlude with a character that never should have been mentioned until book3 perhaps? Or maybe a fifteen minute battle with a cave troll that shouldnt have happened, or possibly a scene in which frodo and Aragorn sway back and forth on a broken stone staircase?

So what your saying is... Lets cut REAL scenes from the book in order to make room for Pj's fabricated ones?


Homosexual tantrum? I'm not sure where this is coming from.

Dont get me started, if you cant see that its a statement without malic I pity you, I really do

Hey now, let's not say things we can't take back.

No I actually though the worst of Profions scenes didnt have a patch on the 'Saruman vs Gandalf breakdancing battle / Wizard dual' possibly becouse I wasnt expecting anything good, so they did not disapoint.. possibly becouse Saruman was just miserably out of character

Garbage? A number of his lines are taken straight from the book. But to each his own I suppose...

Yes a number of them are, unfortunatly eating a gram of sugar doesnt wash away a pound of 'Expletive deleted'


I am sensing a theme...

Im sensing a theme as well.... A theme of over zelous anti desrimination.. Get over it, your projection your inherit guilt on my innocent coining of colloqial terms and quite frankly its getting old..

@gnomethingy, You're free to hate the film (more power to you) but a little tact would serve you better.

Forgive the messed up quote thing but since your fonts a different colour, I aint gonna bother with fixin it...

Once again, please dont take this personall.. unless of course you have something against blunt and tactless people in which case, your probably going to end up hating me anyway

Anything you may construe as a personall slur is nothing more than

I dont have to use tact, becouse I have free will and freedom of speech...

I can sledghammer my opinions home with reckless abandon all day long and as long as I dont get personall, you cant stop me.. and if you dont like it, dont talk to me

Nothing is perfect.
But he made me SEE the Hobbit village, Hobbit kids, orcs, and Moria.
Damn, I *wanted* to see those things.

Re: Re: Re: Lotr peter jackson and how they lowered my opinion of humankind

Originally posted by gnomethingy
And of course, New line can see into the Future (Slaps head) .. How silly of me....

They don't need to, since TFotR is already out on home video and has made them a crap load of cash. They don't have any reason to think the other films won't do likewise.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
The fact is, he is fat.. I can call him fat, no one can stop me he also has a beard, I also think he is an idiot and a worthless patsy to boot... Maybe you dont, once again.. Whoops, theres that free will kicking in again

One's appearance does not equate to their ability, and making fun of their features a tad infantile. If I don't like something a person has done, I point out the action, not their physical imperfections.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Common it may be, but accaptable it certainly is not..

Becouse something happens allot, just to quote a few things such as rape and murder.. doesnt mean its ok

I wouldn't put using one's native accent in the same category as rape and murder. Besides, Christopher Lee and Ian McKellan both use their native accents. And Viggo Mortensen doesn't have a typical American accent either. The differences are subtle, but there. Here's an except from the movie's Dialogue Coach in an interview:
"Viggo is American and brought up in Argentina, he also is Danish in origin and has an unique rhythm to his speech… He’s kept an R… which might sound American, but is actually an Irish R… He speaks Elvish as well, as he was brought up by elves. He starts off speaking in the dark out of the corner of his mouth… but as he continues his Vocal journey from Strider to… well, you know."

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Tolkein gives more time in the scene, the Crebain are noticed earlier by Legolas and they have minutes to hide, unlike the seconds they have in the movie...

Umm, no he doesn't (and it's not Legolas who sees them in the book, it's Aragorn). Legolas, and the other members of the Fellowship, save for Aragorn and Samwise, are all sleeping at the time.

Originally posted by J.R.R. Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring
"What's that Strider? It don't look like a cloud," said Sam in a whisper to Aragorn. He made no answer, he was gazing intently at the sky; but before long Sam could see for himself what was approaching. Flocks of birds, flying at great speed, were wheeling and circling, and traversing all the land as if they were searching for something; and they were steadily growing nearer.
"Lie flat and still!" hissed Aragorn, pulling Sam down into the shade of a holly-bush; for a whole regiment of birds had broken away suddenly from the main host, came, flying low, straight towards the ridge. Sam thought they were a kind of crow of large size. As they passed overhead, in so dense a throng that their shadow followed them darkly over the ground below, one harsh croak was heard.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
You have your own opinions on this, it is to inteprative for me to say its wrong or rigth (Or anyone else for that matter)

I'm just letting you know why they didn't mention the re-forging (since they haven't got around to this plot point yet, rather than just skipping it completely), since you questioned why they didn't show it happening.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
And yet nothing entails that he does this, infact.. his constant mentioning of the word 'Gwaihir' couses me to think its not true, weather it is or isnt..

Well one of the cast or crew (can't remember who exactly) said in an interview that it was supposed to occur off camera (instead of not at all, like Bombadil). And the Gwaihir line in Gandalf's speech isn't all that odd either. He could have said something like:
Gandalf: "Hey moth dude, go find Radagast and tell him to send Gwaihir to pick me up."

Originally posted by gnomethingy
It seves my point that in this instance there was no reason to change the book plot and it serves only to confuse and annoy

Most folks I've talked to about the film were neither confused nor annoyed by this change. But that's neither here nor there, since it's a matter of opinion and perception.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Such as a fiteen minute interlude with a character that never should have been mentioned until book3 perhaps?

Or maybe a fifteen minute battle with a cave troll that shouldnt have happened, or possibly a scene in which frodo and Aragorn sway back and forth on a broken stone staircase?

I thought the extra bits action were a nice change of pace. Obviously opinions differ on the matter.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
So what your saying is... Lets cut REAL scenes from the book in order to make room for Pj's fabricated ones?

To some extent, yes. You can't translate 527 pages worth of material into 3 hours of film without clipping and altering some things. Heck, some of the changes I liked better than the original.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Dont get me started, if you cant see that its a statement without malic I pity you, I really do

I didn't think you were spouting slander, I was just perplexed by what part of Lee's performance you thought was indicative of homosexuality in his character. (Note: I'm assuming you meant "malice" when you wrote malic, otherwise I haven't the foggiest idea what you've just said)

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Forgive the messed up quote thing but since your fonts a different colour, I aint gonna bother with fixin it...

It can get a little tricky, though bit of time and effort can clear things up (I always preview before I post).

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Once again, please dont take this personall.. unless of course you have something against blunt and tactless people in which case, your probably going to end up hating me anyway

Well, I do have something against bad manners, but I try not to hate people (it's not very productive).

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Anything you may construe as a personall slur is nothing more than

*Waits for the conclusion to this sentence before forming a rejoinder*

Originally posted by gnomethingy
I dont have to use tact, becouse I have free will and freedom of speech...

True, though a little tact will make people more recpetive to your arguments (and folks here generally discourage belligerent postings). We usually all try to get along.

Originally posted by gnomethingy
I can sledghammer my opinions home with reckless abandon all day long and as long as I dont get personall, you cant stop me.. and if you dont like it, dont talk to me

I don't like rudeness, but that won't stop me from talking to you. I can respectfully disagree with you with tireless fervor and you cannot stop me.

Blah blah blah...


You call it rudness, I call it Forthright..

Tact is nothing more than saying something somone wont like in a way they will...

Blah blah blah...

I hate the movie.. (I dont like the book 'that' much)

I mean... Im not one of those people that fumed and bellowed stuff at the screen when something I didnt like was happening, but the way I see it is this...

The movie is boring, the Dialogue save one or two snippets almost solely exists for plot advancment and comic releif (The few moment of character development are nice, but MUCH to few for a wordy 3 hour movie)
The action is blury disjointed and senseless...(Being surrounded by orcs in Moria, who stare for twenty minutes before running away)
Some scenes.. Ie, Gandalf falling from the bridge were truly senseless... One minute he is killing orcs left and right weilding his sword like its a feather and the next he cant hold onto a bridge for five seconds till somone comes over to help him (Yes folks, that why in the book.. The Balrogs wip wound around his legs and STAYED there, dragging him off before anyone could do anything about it)
The apparent beleif that cuting off Saurons finger should couse some kind of nuclear explosion
The fact that Saruman, who in the book is incredibly subtle and calculating becomes over the top and trigger happy (Should I say staff happy?)
The Fact that Aragorn, with no help can take on so many Nuzgul at weathertop..
Anything involving Arwen, the
'If you want him'
Draws oddly Katana like sword (Here I was thinkin elves used archipal long swords, given that they invented them and all)
Zoom into closeup on face
'Come and Claim him'
Then I throw up...

Now ill be fair...

There are some good bits,

dialogue between Gandalf and Bilbo after the party

I like Boromirs Dialogue at the council and the later scene where he picks up the ring in the snow, I also like the scene where he tried to take the ring from frodo (Actor did a very good job)

These scenes however, were of such a superb quality they acted as an active comparison for the bad scenes, the memory of them fresh in my mind when I saw something particularly lame magnified it many times..

In some way, I think it would have been better if it were ALL bad

For a movie of such length, that is so dialogue driven I have VERY high standards and I couldnt care less what its based on, if its not compeling when theres no fighting, im not interested...

But one final thing..

You obvoisly completly missed my point about new line being able to see into the future, given that they were calling it 'Peter Jacksons Lotr' in the trailers and at the cinema release...


I think two towers will be better since there will be more action and much more eye candy which will (For me) take my thoughs on the bad acting, lame script and cringefull comic releif mind you, with Boromir dead.. I dont know if ill bother, since if I want action and eye candy.. Ill just rent Aotc since the cgi is better and I dont expect quality form a star wars movie (They have Lightsabres to make up for it)

Originally posted by gnomethingy
You call it rudness, I call it Forthright..
-snip-
You obvoisly completly missed my point about new line being able to see into the future, given that they were calling it 'Peter Jacksons Lotr' in the trailers and at the cinema release...

These two points are the only ones I feel like commenting on.

First point, you call it Forthright? I call it trolling. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that is under the impression that it will be conveyed in a manner that is well thought out, and is in the same spirit as the community we have established here. It doesn't have to conform to the general populace, but it should at least be down in a way that doesn't cause a reaction like the one in this thread.

Second point. I seem to recall many movies, during the trailers and such, always being called the directors (for instance, James Cameron's Titanic). The Directors were the one's who invested the time and effort into the movie to create it in their vision, it should be called theirs. If I were a director, and NLC called it theirs, without doing any of the real work, I'd be a bit livid.

Christ! Get a life - you've had your rant, we don't have to read it but must you counterattack every post?

Its a 3 hour movie of a 400 page book - of course its not as good (and if you don't like fantasy - its completely sunk).

But for a 3 hour movie adaptation - I enjoyed it.

Originally posted by Gruntboy
Christ! Get a life - you've had your rant, we don't have to read it but must you counterattack every post?

Its a 3 hour movie of a 400 page book - of course its not as good (and if you don't like fantasy - its completely sunk).

But for a 3 hour movie adaptation - I enjoyed it.

Be afraid, Gnome... You got Grunty involved now....

'Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but.....'

Your right, everyone is entitled to an opnion.. But nothing,

Annoyng enough that people who like the movie ignored my disclaimer and then decided to spin up some whitty retorts to a post they never should have read....

No longer annoying is it, but rather its plain insulting when people decide to tell me I am being borish for daring to mock there beloved movie on a thread created specificly for that pupose and no other

No longer annoying, just plain rude when they then decide to attack me personally ala 'Get a life'

See what I mean?

You had your say (provocative as it was) and *then* began to attack whoever disagrees with you - aren't they entitled to their opinions too? As for your thread here, disclaimers, warnings etc. - I think we shall let Buck decide who can post what where if you want it to go that far. Its a free world, web, whatever, but Buck owns Gamebanshee.

Why don't you get rude, argumentative and obnmoxious some place else?

Originally posted by Gruntboy
See what I mean?

You had your say (provocative as it was) and *then* began to attack whoever disagrees with you - aren't they entitled to their opinions too? As for your thread here, disclaimers, warnings etc. - I think we shall let Buck decide who can post what where if you want it to go that far. Its a free world, web, whatever, but Buck owns Gamebanshee.

Why don't you get rude, argumentative and obnmoxious some place else?

Once again, here it comes...

Listen carefully...

There is a VAST difference between a personall attack and a disagreement,

I have not Dissmised or denied a single persons opinion on this thread, unless it was in relation to something intangible they could not know (Such as the intent with which I posted something)

Very well, you go speak to buck becouse I refuse to be bullied or beaten down by adversarial 'lifers' such as yourself, you are the one who decided many posts into a thread which has been progressing without any notable anger or malice being shown between any involved to come out with a personal insult and then you arbtarily deem the thread to be moot and me to be Obnoixios and argumentative when you havent been involved in any disagreements thus far, save the one you created...

My advice to you would be read the posts, be very sure you understand the intent behind them and the content itself and if you still cant see that this is a valid thread that doesnt violate the forum in any way then by all means, ask an op to take it down.. and If they do, I still will disagree.. though it will have past beyond my ability to activly do so

You just don't get it do you? Professing you innocence, suggesting I haven't read the posts, blah, blah, Troll tactic nos 13-25.

"Lifer"? I barely come here except to watch out for troublemakers like yourself on the forums I moderate. And there we se a perfect example of your insipid veiled threats. Twisted logic won't throw the "disagrement" back on me:

"When you obvoisly cant understand certain "
"VERY FUNNY [shouting]"
"pig headed "
"no one can stop me "

These are the least insulting, and the following I think sums up your general hate-filled atitude.

"I can sledghammer my opinions home with reckless abandon all day long and as long as I dont get personall, you cant stop me.. and if you dont like it, dont talk to me"

Not to mention your personal attacks on me.

Basically, if you called everyone an @rsehole, I could handle that, but your creeping "I'm insulting without actually writing swear words" method isn't that clever.

EDIT - and if you have time to do this all day, you *do* need to get a life.