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Familiar

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:32 am
by morfeus
Howdy.

I have finished Soa twice and Tob once now. Two times I used a familiar. A pseudo-dragon both times. The first time I didnt know I could stack him (her?) in the sack so he/she was killed somewhere without me noticing until much too late.

The second time I got hang of it, but from the second half and the rest of the game he/she/it stayed in my backback.

The familiar was very nice to have as an extra fighter in the first dungeon, and I do apreciate the extra hitpoints, but besides from that I didnt find the familiar too helpful. I got hints that I could talk to it, but I didnt find much value in the answers.

Anybody out there who managed to use the familiar to something more useful than I did?

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:45 am
by renegade
I'm not 100% sure, but the type of familiar you summon depends on your alignment. I had a cat (chaotic neutral) who was an excellent scout (90% hide in shadows and move silently) and could pickpocket things, and a fairy dragon (chaotic good) who could cast a couple useful spells (invisibility 15' radius, which is a real killer in the early stage... mass surprise, anyone? :D ).
pseudodragons should be for lawful good or neutral good characters, if memory still serves me well. And they give 35% magic resistance :)

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:49 am
by TheDude
the typ of familiar u get does depend on what alligement u have.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:50 am
by Astafas
The rabbit has, or at least had before ToB, a + 1 fire damage which is great fun for killing trolls.

The cat is good for scouting if you don't have a ranger/thief or want to use spells.

The fairy dragon has a Invisibility 10 Radius spell, which I've often used, too.

But to be honest, familiars real advantage are the extra HPs they offer.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:53 am
by Astafas
Originally posted by Silverfist:
<STRONG>
pseudodragons should be for lawful good or neutral good characters, if memory still serves me well. And they give 35% magic resistance :) </STRONG>
Major misunderstanding: These familiars *have* a magic resistance, they don't give your PC one.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:57 am
by renegade
Yowch! You right. So sowwy, mah fault :D

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:05 am
by morfeus
My psedo dragon had only "Blur". So except for a little help in the first chapter, and the extra HP, I didnt find him to useful.

Do the familar level up? Which one is the best? Has anyone experienced that theire familiar has given helpful hints?

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:17 am
by Astafas
The familiars don't level up but are improved in ToB. I believe they also heal if you feed them (possible in ToB). Can anyone confirm this? Another thing, if you wait until ToB to conjure your familiar, would you get more HPs then (since the familiar themeselves have more HPs)?

I prefer to choose alignement and then accept whatever familiar that particular alignement will get. It makes no sense to me to let the familiar decide your alignement.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:23 am
by morfeus
My Psedo-dragon healed very fast. Didnt have to feed him. He went from "Near Death" to Unwounded within a minute (I think).

I didnt check my familiar in Tob. He stayed in the backpack all the time.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:30 am
by morfeus
Astafas:

quote:
"I prefer to choose alignement and then accept whatever familiar that particular alignement will get. It makes no sense to me to let the familiar decide your alignement. "

Well, if a certain alignment gives me a 50´ tall firespurting dragon-golem I would consider going with a "lawful stupid" alignment.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:42 am
by Astafas
Originally posted by morfeus:
<STRONG>Astafas:

quote:
"I prefer to choose alignement and then accept whatever familiar that particular alignement will get. It makes no sense to me to let the familiar decide your alignement. "

Well, if a certain alignment gives me a 50´ tall firespurting dragon-golem I would consider going with a "lawful stupid" alignment.</STRONG>
I wouldn't, for the same reason I would never equip a PC/NPC with Crom Fayer in the left hand and Celestial Fury in the right.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 8:20 am
by average joe
They would be rad if the familiars did level up...maybe they'd be useful then. If they didn't use party experience, but rather leveled up with the pc...say one level for every two or three pc levels...and their skills increased as they did would be kinda cool.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 8:34 am
by fable
Folks ought to check the Search facility every now and again. There's tons of material, up there, and you can find out all the details about who things which familiar is best, and why. :D

In any case, here's Brink's old list:

Lawful Good & Neutral Good-Pseudo Dragon(2 attacks per round at THACO :13 for 1-3 damage.Save or be rendered unconscious for 120 seconds.May cast Blur)
Chaotic Good-Fairy Dragon(May cast Mirror Image,Invisibility 10` radius)
Lawful Neutral-Ferret(Has good pickpocketing stats,may detect traps and use stealth)
True Neutral-Rabbit (has detect traps and stealth but no pickpocketing ability)
Chaotic Neutral-Cat(Has hide in shadows and move silently at 99%,surprisingly has pickpocketing skills)
Lawful Evil-Imp(May cast Polymorph Spells)
Neutral Evil-Dust Mephit(May cast Glitterdust)
Chaotic Evil-Quasit(May cast Blur and Horror)

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:36 am
by Xyx
Chaotic Good's Fairy Dragon gives less Hit Points (9 instead of 12), but is the only one that can cast a beneficial spell on the party.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:47 am
by UserUnfriendly
Neutral evil, I think has the most useful ability. Glitterdust is an incredably useful spell. against the masses its "mass blindness...aaaagggghhh!!! I can't see!" spell. I always get it. {lanning on using in giant sige camp, should work against the battles too. The only creatures that it does not work against are fairly high level creatures, their minions, especially humanoids, are very supseptable to it.

For the high level creatures, the druid spell natures beauty, if it does not kill outright, will cause blindess, NO SAVE.
Plan to try out on dragons and demogorgon, using simacrum helm for jaheira.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:15 pm
by Raven Avenger
You should all try the Quasit...the way it talks :)

The hat seems useful

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:27 pm
by THE JAKER
Yes, Raven - hats ARE useful.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:37 pm
by Raven Avenger
sorry.. Cats I mean

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:51 pm
by Izgoth
How the heck do you put a familiar in your backpack?

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:03 pm
by morfeus
Start talking to it, Then you'll see.