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I suppose you're implying you don't have a save a bit further back than this?

Well, let's see.

First of all, how far did you go with Korgan's quest? If you actually got the book, then yeah, the quest is done and that's a bug.

Did you go into an outside area and have to rescue a guy who's poisoned. If you brought him to a certain house in the docks. Then you'll have to go through a whole rigamarole of quests. Some are spaced out between each other. Also, with some NPCs, I found out that it's best to tell an NPC that you'll get to something when you have the time, not immediately, or otherwise you're going to have to do that immediately in order to keep them happy.

Jan's quest won't take TOO long as long as you don't let your guys get caught up in alot of stuff. It involve the Copper Coronet sewers at one part, though.

Anomen, of course, if you want him to complete his tour, then don't take revenge. I myself haven't done the Anomen romance, but even male PCs can go through the whole murder and test stuff. Oh, and the promotion into the Order gives him 16 Wis, not 18.

Hope this all helps.

With Korgan, I suspect you did the same thing as I did with his quest... After you investigate the crypts in the sewers and see that the grave has already been looted of the book, then go back to the house and see that no one is there and everyone has been killed - I assume you have done all of this already. For some reason, the game does not tell you what you need to finish the quest. You need to go to the Slums district, and go on top of the Copper Coronet (outside of it, not in). You will meet a couple of guys, fight them, and recover the Book of Kaza. After you do this, the quest is done, and he shouldn't complain anymore. I hope this helps!

I can't help you out with Anomen... I have never failed the test.

My reccomendation is that you ditch Anomen if he can't come back, CLUA in the equipment that he ran off with, and pick up Viconia in the Government district. She is probably the best cleric in the game, and your party is not really in great need of more melee. Give her a sling, put her in the back rows, and have her cast spells. I actually prefer her over Anomen. And best of all - she has no quest to interfere with everything else you are trying to do!

If you begin a new game there is a mod you can download that eliminates the need to go through Irenicus's dungeon again.
Be advised that if you have Sola you might find the dialogue path when speaking to the mod's character sounds a bit odd. You can guess your way through it though, so not too big a deal

sticky wicket... dont' hear too many folks use that one.

Anyway, go with the flow of the game. It's all part of the story and adding some pseudo role playing elements to the game. If people are bailing, go find new NPC's. You'll catch up with most of them later anyway.

Keep playing your style and seek out new NPC's. The best part of this game is that it's possible to kick arse with any crew. Mix and match, try out new things. Later in the game, it won't matter. You'll be so stacked with items, weapons, and money most will crumble and cower in fear at the mere sight of you.

You've definitely placed a limitation on yourself by choosing what I consider to be a dud of a class in the wizard slayer. Consider dual to a thief if she's human.

Don't stress about the NPC troubles, it all works out in the end. Btw, Anomen is a chump. Perhaps you should chew on the old Anomen thread if it is still in the SoA archives. Find Jan and get him back. He's all you need later. Mislead.......backstab......ad infinitum. He's a one man wrecking ball and just full of wit and bizarrre anecdotes.

Originally posted by Scayde
Right now I am in a bit of a sticky wicket. Anomen flunked his test because my rep is around 6 . So I restarted the level to try to do more good deeds..bump up my rep, try to help him out, then I found out it doesn't matter how high my rep is..because we severely toasted Saerk.

Whether Anomen passes or fails his test is dependent on the advice you gave him at his sister's funeral, not on your party rep. You need to tell him to honor his vows to his religion and not give in to revenge. After failing his test he is unredeemable and bitter now and will probably turn on you later on for screwing up his life. Best replay this part completely or dump him now before you waste anymore xps on him. Or you can play it out and see what happens. There are two other clerics to be had - Viconia (evil but loveable drow) and Aerie (good but unlovable whining multiclass wingless elf).

If you are a female char then having Jaheira in the party may be a questionable choice. Sure, she's a druid but she's a multiclasss druid so she advances slowly - very, very slowly in a large party). If you want a druid there's another to be found in Trademeet. Although there's no romance to be had with Jaheira (due to your main char) there are her side quests with the Harpers. I'd keep Korgy and Jan for sure as both have a lot of talent and great dialog and dump Anomen and Jaheira.

You need a mage. Right now your only option is Nalia unless you do the Mae'var thief quests and pick up Edwin. Edwin is a better mage but Nalia is more versatile (can use a bow and short sword and has some low level thieving skills and probably better than Immy overall). If all else fails, copy your saved game over to the mp save file and then custom make some sidekicks to your specs, then copy that save game back over to the single player save file. Good luck.

My playing style is probably a lot different from yours, but if I were in your position, I'd restart. I could probably find some ways to cheat your way out of the mess you're in (by resetting global variables), but I still don't know if your situation would improve. I don't like the class you've chosen to play, and I don't like your party composition. I presume you're either going to ditch Jan when you rescue Imoen or tell Imoen you don't have room for her and she's on her own. You're doing quests to move the game along, but it makes me wonder what you're trying to accomplish. Why do you have someone like Korgan in your group? Why did you let your Rep drop to 6 if you have Minsc in your group? This isn't meant to be criticism, but do you like any of the NPCs and do you want to see to their needs, or do you keep them around just so you can take advantage of their skills? What is your game plan? Why did you pick the NPCs you have in your party? Why did you choose to play a Wizard Slayer? I'm just trying to understand your desires and goals. Otherwise, any advice from me is worthless.

The main thing is, I think you need to pick an angle and stick with it. If you want to slay wizards (good or bad), play a Fighter/Mage (any combination) so you can stand toe to toe with them. If you don't want to be a hero and help people, play a Neutral or an Evil character and get rid of Minsc. You need another Mage, so you could replace Minsc with a Mage. If you're going to do that, get the best--Edwin. Don't recruit a Mage like Nalia who always talks about helping people. If you honestly believe that Anomen should have taken revenge into his own hands, then be satisfied with what you did and don't worry about Anomen's fate. I know some people who prefer him to be a disillusioned Chaotic Neutral character. Whatever floats your boat. If he leaves, replace him with Viconia. Or don't replace him at all. Jaheira is a Cleric/tank of sorts (she gets a lot better at higher levels, especially if you play her and equip her properly), and reducing your party size would give all of your remaining characters more experience. If you play Throne of Bhaal, there's a really strong Fighter you can recruit to replace any of your "weak" party members. I get the impression that you should avoid the whiners and the wimps.

Originally posted by dragon wench
If you begin a new game there is a mod you can download that eliminates the need to go through Irenicus's dungeon again.
Be advised that if you have Sola you might find the dialogue path when speaking to the mod's character sounds a bit odd. You can guess your way through it though, so not too big a deal

OK...I have DL and installed that mod....so I may keep playing this game and see how that turns out

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
sticky wicket... dont' hear too many folks use that one.

Anyway, go with the flow of the game. It's all part of the story and adding some pseudo role playing elements to the game. If people are bailing, go find new NPC's. You'll catch up with most of them later anyway.

Keep playing your style and seek out new NPC's. The best part of this game is that it's possible to kick arse with any crew. Mix and match, try out new things. Later in the game, it won't matter. You'll be so stacked with items, weapons, and money most will crumble and cower in fear at the mere sight of you.

You've definitely placed a limitation on yourself by choosing what I consider to be a dud of a class in the wizard slayer. Consider dual to a thief if she's human.

Don't stress about the NPC troubles, it all works out in the end. Btw, Anomen is a chump. Perhaps you should chew on the old Anomen thread if it is still in the SoA archives. Find Jan and get him back. He's all you need later. Mislead.......backstab......ad infinitum. He's a one man wrecking ball and just full of wit and bizarrre anecdotes.

I like this . I am all for just going with it. If nothing else, I will learn about the game .

LOL....Jan is funny, but the real hoot is Korgan……."I'd better be paid well for this"

I will probably continue on with this game, but start a new one too…one to 'learn from my mistakes' and one to try to make work.

Bear in mind that when you accept Viconia into your party, your rep goes down 2 points. If you're already at 6 (how did you manage to get it that low?), a rep of 4 means you're teetering on the edge of losing all your good characters, as well as random attacks from guards, and closed doors from merchants.

I think SK lets you adjust reputation, but if it doesn't, there is a fix that prevents NPCs from leaving your party when you get too good or evil. It doesn't stop the other, more general effects, however.

Originally posted by VonDondu
My playing style is probably a lot different from yours, but if I were in your position, I'd restart.

LOL .Honestly, I have no idea what you would call my playing style. I have never played a game with a 'party' before..so I guess you could say it is rather self-serving. I do plan to start a new game.and try to implement the lessons I have learned from this one in order to have more success.

I could probably find some ways to cheat your way out of the mess you're in (by resetting global variables), but I still don't know if your situation would improve. I don't like the class you've chosen to play, and I don't like your party composition. I presume you're either going to ditch Jan when you rescue Imoen or tell Imoen you don't have room for her and she's on her own. You're doing quests to move the game along, but it makes me wonder what you're trying to accomplish. Why do you have someone like Korgan in your group? Why did you let your Rep drop to 6 if you have Minsc in your group? This isn't meant to be criticism, but do you like any of the NPCs and do you want to see to their needs, or do you keep them around just so you can take advantage of their skills? What is your game plan? Why did you pick the NPCs you have in your party? Why did you choose to play a Wizard Slayer? I'm just trying to understand your desires and goals. Otherwise, any advice from me is worthless.

Wow...a lot of questions..I will try to take them in order. BTW, thank you for your time in trying to help me

1.I don't like the class you've chosen to play.
I am playing a character that was recommended to me by someone trying to help

2.I don't like your party composition
Well, they are the toughest guys I have met so far…if I meet any tougher, I will trade

3.I presume you're either going to ditch Jan when you rescue Imoen or tell Imoen you don't have room for her and she's on her own.
Actually, I had not figured out who I would keep and who I would trade at this point…it would be whoever is the strongest that I would keep.

4.You're doing quests to move the game along, but it makes me wonder what you're trying to accomplish.
That is easy..finish the game with all of the cool loot

5. Why do you have someone like Korgan in your group?
Because of all of them, he is one of the best fighters. and he is the most fun to be around

6. Why did you let your Rep drop to 6 if you have Minsc in your group?
I was not paying attention to it….and I did not know until you just said something it should matter to Minsc.

7.This isn't meant to be criticism, but do you like any of the NPCs and do you want to see to their needs, or do you keep them around just so you can take advantage of their skills?
They are tools just like anything else in the game.

8.Why did you choose to play a Wizard Slayer?
See number 1.

The main thing is, I think you need to pick an angle and stick with it. If you want to slay wizards (good or bad), play a Fighter/Mage (any combination) so you can stand toe to toe with them. If you don't want to be a hero and help people, play a Neutral or an Evil character and get rid of Minsc. You need another Mage, so you could replace Minsc with a Mage. If you're going to do that, get the best--Edwin. Don't recruit a Mage like Nalia who always talks about helping people. If you honestly believe that Anomen should have taken revenge into his own hands, then be satisfied with what you did and don't worry about Anomen's fate. I know some people who prefer him to be a disillusioned Chaotic Neutral character. Whatever floats your boat. If he leaves, replace him with Viconia. Or don't replace him at all. Jaheira is a Cleric/tank of sorts (she gets a lot better at higher levels, especially if you play her and equip her properly), and reducing your party size would give all of your remaining characters more experience. If you play Throne of Bhaal, there's a really strong Fighter you can recruit to replace any of your "weak" party members. I get the impression that you should avoid the whiners and the wimps.

9. I get the impression that you should avoid the whiners and the wimps
Believe me, I try

Originally posted by fable
Bear in mind that when you accept Viconia into your party, your rep goes down 2 points. If you're already at 6 (how did you manage to get it that low?), a rep of 4 means you're teetering on the edge of losing all your good characters, as well as random attacks from guards, and closed doors from merchants.

I think SK lets you adjust reputation, but if it doesn't, there is a fix that prevents NPCs from leaving your party when you get too good or evil. It doesn't stop the other, more general effects, however.

I am not really sure how it happened fable...Actually, I htink I have been a pretty good guy.I mean I got the little kid ghost's teddy bear, and found the guys that were burring people alive and stuff..*shruggs*...

Thanks for the tip on the fix though, looks like I am going to need it

Originally posted by fable
Bear in mind that when you accept Viconia into your party, your rep goes down 2 points. If you're already at 6 (how did you manage to get it that low?), a rep of 4 means you're teetering on the edge of losing all your good characters, as well as random attacks from guards, and closed doors from merchants.

I think SK lets you adjust reputation, but if it doesn't, there is a fix that prevents NPCs from leaving your party when you get too good or evil. It doesn't stop the other, more general effects, however.

Yeah, that's the problem with having a mix of alignments in a party in a normal (as in un-modded/untweaked) game. It's kind of like having a mixture of oil and water. Without the right item (in this instance, soap or appeals to be reputationally impartial), you can't get a proper mix, and you end up with a serious separation problem. So unless Scayde were to stay at about 12 Reputation, there would be upside-down smiles one way or another. I was known for my interest in science back in my school days. Oh, and as long as she can afford to, she can rake away cash to a church/temple to raise her reputation, right? That still might not be the best option, but it could be done, somehow.

Also, commitment to one too many projects can also cause alot of strain upon use of time. This will lead to a jumble of tasks to be done all at once, which is nigh to impossible, and causes performance. Sometimes something has to be delayed for practical reasons. Believe me, IRL I learned this the hard way.

I'm just trying to make these problems easier to comprehend. I'm not trying to talk down at all, just be helpful by putting things in a perspective that I think would help clear up problems if the need truly arises. Scayde, I'm sure you understood this all at the moment, but I can't help but write this anyway! I'm a young man bent towards the wills of facts, figures, and morals.

I have to tell you, with all the concepts that I can respond to and/or conceive, I'm surprised my brain is not the size of a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle! (Is that one of the years one of the classic models was designed and in use?)

I do believe that I am surrounded by folks with alot of potential of their own, anyway. No devaluing intended, 100% satisfaction guarenteed(sp?) or no money back!

Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Yeah, that's the problem with having a mix of alignments in a party in a normal (as in un-modded/untweaked) game. It's kind of like having a mixture of oil and water. Without the right item (in this instance, soap or appeals to be reputationally impartial), you can't get a proper mix, and you end up with a serious separation problem. So unless Scayde were to stay at about 12 Reputation, there would be upside-down smiles one way or another. I was known for my interest in science back in my school days. Oh, and as long as she can afford to, she can rake away cash to a church/temple to raise her reputation, right? That still might not be the best option, but it could be done, somehow.

Also, commitment to one too many projects can also cause alot of strain upon use of time. This will lead to a jumble of tasks to be done all at once, which is nigh to impossible, and causes performance. Sometimes something has to be delayed for practical reasons. Believe me, IRL I learned this the hard way.

I'm just trying to make these problems easier to comprehend. I'm not trying to talk down at all, just be helpful by putting things in a perspective that I think would help clear up problems if the need truly arises. Scayde, I'm sure you understood this all at the moment, but I can't help but write this anyway! I'm a young man bent towards the wills of facts, figures, and morals.

I have to tell you, with all the concepts that I can respond to and/or conceive, I'm surprised my brain is not the size of a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle! (Is that one of the years one of the classic models was designed and in use?)

I do believe that I am surrounded by folks with alot of potential of their own, anyway. No devaluing intended, 100% satisfaction guarenteed(sp?) or no money back!

You are not talkig 'down' to me at all Galuf......this is very helpful information. I did use Shadow keeper to tweek my rep to 18.....now I understand why Korgan is grumbling...I think I should go back in and tone it down a bit Aye.

Originally posted by Scayde
You are not talkig 'down' to me at all Galuf......this is very helpful information. I did use Shadow keeper to tweek my rep to 18.....now I understand why Korgan is grumbling...I think I should go back in and tone it down a bit Aye.

Excellent! *wipes the sweat off of his brow with one of his stout, heavily muscled hands, and whistles a sigh of relief* I hate causing trouble with regulations.

'Ere now, what be happenin' with this here Battlerager? Got himself in a bind wi' some beneful folks? Well, send him int'a some mosh pit without a piece of equipment and he'll see why evil doesn't pay, even among other evil!


As an aside, I can't believe I'm already in Chpt. 5 with my Paladin, and I decided to go back into BG1 and play through with a Bard. I'm already into the Nashkell Mines, with 16 Reputation, kicking arse even with 15 Strength! Drizzt Do'Urden would be proud of his actions, as would Gorion, of course. Ah, I get around to my Pally again eventually. I just have so many character ideas that I could make a multi-player party of them!

Scayde, it sounds to me like you'd enjoy playing an Evil group. Of course, there's a lot of disagreement about what constitutes "evil", so it's up to you to decide on your own definition. Usually, in the evil point of view, strength, not character, determines personal worth, and people should be rewarded for what they earn, not for what they "deserve". Take a cue from the NPCs. For example, Korgan enjoys killing and looting, and he believes in the survival of the fittest. He has some good lines in Throne of Bhaal: "Killing is our business, and business is good." When he throws himself into battle, he cries with glee, "Now we're getting down to business!" Some people would argue that he's not truly "evil" because he's not a mindless killing machine that kills everything in sight, but I don't really think that's how the evil value system works. Korgan has a soft spot for children, and he doesn't mock the gods. But give him a bounty or tell him that someone else will get the gold if he doesn't get it first, and he'll pull out his axe and go to work before you know it.

Minsc, on the other hand, believes in justice and righteousness. He will kill people if they deserve it, but his primary motivation is to be a hero and all that being a hero entails. Some might say he's a glory hound, but I say he's just exuberant. I don't think he fits into your party, whether you can use his skills or not.

Viconia and Edwin would fit right in with your character and Korgan. A party like that would give you all the evil NPCs there are in the game (until you get to Throne of Bhaal). You could argue that those three characters are the strongest NPCs in the game. I suspect that it was done on purpose. No character is perfect, so Viconia has her weak points (low strength and low constitution), but there are items and spells that can easily make those shortcomings irrelevant.

The problem with replacing weaker NPCs with stronger NPCs as you go along is that the ones you end up with in your party will have missed out on a lot of experience by the time you decide you want them. The game tries to make adjustments by changing the level of the NPCs you meet based on your own level, but I'd rather get them as soon as possible and level them up myself. Besides, if they're the ones you want in your party, why would you do a bunch of quests without them?

To meet your need for a thief, you could make your main character a Fighter/Thief (one of my favorite classes) or recruit Jan or Imoen. Neither of them is evil, but Jan is entertaining (if you enjoy his kind of humor), and Imoen, who is pretty quiet for the most part, will stick with you even if you're rotten to the core. Having Jan or Imoen in your party will also give you a second Mage, which can come in handy. (I don't recommend making your main character a Mage/Thief to fulfill your need for both a Thief and a Mage, but I guess that's an option. But I'd rather have someone who can deal out damage in melee.) Then there's the Fighter in Throne of Bhaal who's even better than Korgan. A small party (four or less) has its advantages, but a large party (five or more) can be more interesting because of the NPC dialogue, if you are interested in that sort of thing.

When I asked you, "What are you trying to accomplish?" I meant, what has been important to you so far? Have you been trying to rescue Imoen as soon as you can, or have you been trying to form the most powerful party you can, or have you been focussing on killing Irenicus, etc.? Do you feel like people (like the Shadow Thieves) have been jerking you around, and would you like to kill them for it? I also wonder what you did to make your Reputation drop to 6. Did you kill an innocent person in the streets? Did you get caught stealing several times? You don't have to use ShadowKeeper to raise your Reputation. As long as you can enter a Temple without being attacked and have some gold, you can raise your Reputation by donating. Obviously, everyone can be bought in the city of coin.

There's a difference between finding as many powerful items as you can and being powerful. Power is enormously affected by your skill as a player, not simply by the way your characters are equipped or how many hit points they have and so forth. I think that learning how to buff up your characters, learning battle tactics, and using spells with finesse are the real keys to success, not just hitting your opponents with powerful weapons. I think it's great that you're willing to learn what you can and try new things to see what works best for you. IMO, that's the best way to play.

Originally posted by VonDondu
Scayde, it sounds to me like you'd enjoy playing an Evil group. Of course, there's a lot of disagreement about what constitutes "evil", so it's up to you to decide on your own definition. Usually, in the evil point of view, strength, not character, determines personal worth, and people should be rewarded for what they earn, not for what they "deserve". Take a cue from the NPCs. For example, Korgan enjoys killing and looting, and he believes in the survival of the fittest. He has some good lines in Throne of Bhaal: "Killing is our business, and business is good." When he throws himself into battle, he cries with glee, "Now we're getting down to business!" Some people would argue that he's not truly "evil" because he's not a mindless killing machine that kills everything in sight, but I don't really think that's how the evil value system works. Korgan has a soft spot for children, and he doesn't mock the gods. But give him a bounty or tell him that someone else will get the gold if he doesn't get it first, and he'll pull out his axe and go to work before you know it.

Minsc, on the other hand, believes in justice and righteousness. He will kill people if they deserve it, but his primary motivation is to be a hero and all that being a hero entails. Some might say he's a glory hound, but I say he's just exuberant. I don't think he fits into your party, whether you can use his skills or not.

Viconia and Edwin would fit right in with your character and Korgan. A party like that would give you all the evil NPCs there are in the game (until you get to Throne of Bhaal). You could argue that those three characters are the strongest NPCs in the game. I suspect that it was done on purpose. No character is perfect, so Viconia has her weak points (low strength and low constitution), but there are items and spells that can easily make those shortcomings irrelevant.

The problem with replacing weaker NPCs with stronger NPCs as you go along is that the ones you end up with in your party will have missed out on a lot of experience by the time you decide you want them. The game tries to make adjustments by changing the level of the NPCs you meet based on your own level, but I'd rather get them as soon as possible and level them up myself. Besides, if they're the ones you want in your party, why would you do a bunch of quests without them?

To meet your need for a thief, you could make your main character a Fighter/Thief (one of my favorite classes) or recruit Jan or Imoen. Neither of them is evil, but Jan is entertaining (if you enjoy his kind of humor), and Imoen, who is pretty quiet for the most part, will stick with you even if you're rotten to the core. Having Jan or Imoen in your party will also give you a second Mage, which can come in handy. (I don't recommend making your main character a Mage/Thief to fulfill your need for both a Thief and a Mage, but I guess that's an option. But I'd rather have someone who can deal out damage in melee.) Then there's the Fighter in Throne of Bhaal who's even better than Korgan. A small party (four or less) has its advantages, but a large party (five or more) can be more interesting because of the NPC dialogue, if you are interested in that sort of thing.

When I asked you, "What are you trying to accomplish?" I meant, what has been important to you so far? Have you been trying to rescue Imoen as soon as you can, or have you been trying to form the most powerful party you can, or have you been focussing on killing Irenicus, etc.? Do you feel like people (like the Shadow Thieves) have been jerking you around, and would you like to kill them for it? I also wonder what you did to make your Reputation drop to 6. Did you kill an innocent person in the streets? Did you get caught stealing several times? You don't have to use ShadowKeeper to raise your Reputation. As long as you can enter a Temple without being attacked and have some gold, you can raise your Reputation by donating. Obviously, everyone can be bought in the city of coin.

There's a difference between finding as many powerful items as you can and being powerful. Power is enormously affected by your skill as a player, not simply by the way your characters are equipped or how many hit points they have and so forth. I think that learning how to buff up your characters, learning battle tactics, and using spells with finesse are the real keys to success, not just hitting your opponents with powerful weapons. I think it's great that you're willing to learn what you can and try new things to see what works best for you. IMO, that's the best way to play.

Thanks for the tips Von.

OK here is an update.

Anomen is still in. I found an old quicksave and started from there. He has still flunked the test but he stayed with the party.

Minsc is out.

I picked up Keldorn. (The dialoque between him and Anomen alone is worth it )

To answer Vaon's question about goals. Yes, I need t get to Imoen, but I wanted to see as much of the game as possible along the way, because the whole reason I started playing was to learn about a game that so many of you guys love so much.

Re: The rep thing. Someone suggested that it is so low because I sided with Bohdi. (I just thought she was cool, and she beat the other guy's price)...It was suggested to me that this was a big mistake...Oh well...as I said, live and learn.

I do not think of my party as 'evil', opportunistic perhaps, but not evil. They are just a no-nonsense buch of mercinaries.

RE; time management...I have a hard time turning someone down that asks for help. I may say something rude, but I wil still try to help. The result is, I have probably taken on a bit too much

Someone told me that since I sided with Bohdi, Edwin was not oing to be an option. If taht is true..damn shame..he sounds like a character I would have liked to had in the party

Question: Now that Anomen has flunked his test, will he drop the romance thing?

I intend to do the Sloa mod....(Thanks DW *HUG* )

Highly unlikely Keldorn stay in your party if you have sided with Bodhi. Does he know, or you keep it as a surprise for him?


@ VonDondu:

Of course Scayde likes an evil party -- as evil is being determined by BG standards. Please re-read Scayde's replies to both of your two posts.

3.I presume you're either going to ditch Jan when you rescue Imoen or tell Imoen you don't have room for her and she's on her own.
Actually, I had not figured out who I would keep and who I would trade at this point…it would be whoever is the strongest that I would keep.

5. Why do you have someone like Korgan in your group?
Because of all of them, he is one of the best fighters. and he is the most fun to be around

7.This isn't meant to be criticism, but do you like any of the NPCs and do you want to see to their needs, or do you keep them around just so you can take advantage of their skills?
They are tools just like anything else in the game.

Re: The rep thing. Someone suggested that it is so low because I sided with Bohdi. (I just thought she was cool, and she beat the other guy's price)

Quite revealing, isn't it? BTW, when I first played BG and met Bodhi, I felt a chill running in my backbone. Blame my vivid imagination, but the least I could had thought of her was that she was cool. No wonder then that my reputation had been steadily climbing up, and Korgan left for the nearest Inn to have a couple of drinks.

Originally posted by Scayde
Thanks for the tips Von.

To answer Von's question about goals. Yes, I need to get to Imoen, but I wanted to see as much of the game as possible along the way...

My pleasure. I enjoy talking about my favorite games.

There's nothing wrong with doing all of the major sidequests in Chapter Two. But in my opinion, it's more fun to do some of them after you have rescued Imoen. For one thing, it lets you take a break from the critical path; otherwise, the last five chapters of the game will be almost completely linear. I also think that Chapters Three, Four, and Five are more fun if you don't do them at the highest levels possible. Also, if you want Imoen to be a permanent party member, why would you do all of the sidequests without her?

Originally posted by Scayde
Re: The rep thing. Someone suggested that it is so low because I sided with Bohdi. (I just thought she was cool, and she beat the other guy's price)...It was suggested to me that this was a big mistake...

Someone told me that since I sided with Bohdi, Edwin was not oing to be an option. If that is true..damn shame..he sounds like a character I would have liked to had in the party

I'm not sure what the other person told you, but it's not a mistake for anyone to side with Bodhi. Siding with Bodhi does not hurt your Reputation. There are actually some advantages in siding with her (more treasure, for one thing). And I've argued repeatedly that it is better to side with her from an ethical point of view. (We've had some interesting discussions about it on here.)

There's only one major limitation in siding with Bodhi. Once you side with her, the Shadow Thieves will attack you on sight, and you won't be able to do their quests. That's why you should do Renal Bloodscalp's quest and acquire Edwin before siding with Bodhi. If you do it in that order, then you can acquire Edwin even if you side with Bodhi. Edwin is a turncoat, and he feels no loyalty to the Shadow Thieves, so you don't have to worry about that.

If you're willing to cheat to get Edwin in your party, I think the following cheat codes will work:

SetGlobal("EdwinJob","GLOBAL",8)
SetGlobal("RenalJob","GLOBAL",2)
CreateCreature("EDWIN11")

Note: You can change Edwin's level to suit you by choosing EDWIN9, EDWIN11, EDWIN12, or EDWIN13.

Originally posted by Aubrey
@ VonDondu:

Of course Scayde likes an evil party -- as evil is being determined by BG standards. Please re-read Scayde's replies to both of your two posts...

Quite revealing, isn't it?

I agree. And with all due respect, the reason why I thought she might enjoy playing an evil party ("evil" by BG standards) is because I understood what she was saying the first time I read it.