Carth's intervention.

Léah · Post by **Léah** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:40 pm

SPOILER ALERT.

Okay, so I defeated Malak while aligned with the dark side. Then I pass through the doors and Carth's standing there as per his promise not to "give up" on me. So, I'm thinking I'll be able to kill Bastila and save Carth, turning to the light at the very last. That would be a good plot twist, right? But I've played out the conversation every possible way and it seems that every option results in Carth's death? Is this disappointing shortcoming in plot development inevitible, or has someone else managed to bring about an alternate ending?

dirvish · Post by **dirvish** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:06 am

is this in the Leviathan or on the Star Forge?

Léah · Post by **Léah** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:56 am

It's on the Star Forge after the final battle with Malak

Lance Rahl · Post by **Lance Rahl** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:12 pm

Carth is still alive?

Usualy when I align to the "Dark Side" Carth dies on the
Unknown World when I ask who'll be with me to go kill
Malak.

(This is after I went into the temple with Juhani and Jolie
and accepted Bastila's invitation to retake the mantle of
Dark Sith Lord. Of course Juhani and Jolie didn't like that
and got their butt's kicked..)

But after I return to the Ebon Hawk from the Temple of the
Ancients, Carth runs off and I ended up killing Mission and
Big Z. The two droids and Canderous, and Bastila of course were the only one's left when I went to the Star Forge.

:X

Léah · Post by **Léah** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:38 pm

I'm sure it's different for a male character. Unless you explore the Carth romance option, he doesn't really have enough invested to risk his life for you, I guess.

Lance Rahl · Post by **Lance Rahl** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:34 am

True...

I need to re-rent it and play it as a female :X

petiflo · Post by **petiflo** » Tue May 11, 2004 4:07 am

Léah is right, if you play a female character and turn to the dark site at the temple, Carth shows off on the star forge and wants to redeem you and then Bastila arrives, but all I can do then is kill him or make bastilla kill him, though I've heard that you could kill Bastilla and save Carth.

It seems to be another dialogue bug I think.

Sarendipity · Post by **Sarendipity** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:57 pm

I forget where I read this, but apparently this was where they were originally going to put in a third ending. You would have been able to turn back to the lightside at the last minute, only to find that it was too late to escape the Star Forge before it was destroyed by the Republic fleet. You and Carth would die tragically in each other's arms.

As it is, the guys get to kiss Bastila, and all we get is a bunch of corny lines that lead nowhere

petiflo · Post by **petiflo** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:54 am

I was able to see this end by modifying the game save, the lines of the dialogue exists and have been recorded (it's like "OK, Bastila is dead so the republic can destroy the StarForge - I'm Sorry I wish we could have more time together - blahblahblah").

But it seems the developpers have decided to remove it at the last minute as the PC-Carth-Bastila "dialogue" does not allow to kill Bastila.

Maybe they figures out that too many people would find it nonsense to die deliberately at the very end. I think it would have been a good end though, making KoTOR even more different than other games.

PZycho_Elf · Post by **PZycho_Elf** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:28 pm

So? Do you HAVE to kill Carth, or can he be spared? I want my next character to be DS, but I think Carth's really sweet, and I don't want him to die..

petiflo · Post by **petiflo** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:34 pm

Unfortunately I believe there is no way to spare Carth, I tryed but I never managed to do it.

PZycho_Elf · Post by **PZycho_Elf** » Fri May 21, 2004 8:27 am

Oh.. how sad.

Let's all cry. Come on.. 1..2...3.. cry!

That felt good.

Then my next character'll just have to be a man. Then I can be really awful to Carth and not have the little romance with him. Then it won't matter a lot if he dies.

Smaaart, Jens!