Keldorn's Quest & Imoen ===> Spoiler

Andante · Post by **Andante** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:51 pm

Hello,

If Keldorn is taken through his Quest, and I tell him to stay in the party afterward, does he leave the group after Imoen is rescued?

Galmar · Post by **Galmar** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:04 pm

Well remember when he first joins you you have the ability to tell him one of two things, either ... "A). You are trying to rescue a childhood friend" or "B). You are hunting an extremely powerfull wizard".

Personally i told him (im sure i told all npcs) i was hunting irenicus, and consequently thats what i told his wife too, and that he would not be released from this task till its over, so im pretty certain that he will stay with you as long as you wish (allthough ive only actually taken him to spellhold twice, hes a cheap char).

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:20 pm

he don't leave either way.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:17 pm

It is quite rewarding to keep Keldorn all the way I think... by all the way I mean through ToB aswell.

Andante · Post by **Andante** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:21 am

Thanks!

Thank you all very much. I appreciate it.

This is the first time that I played using a "Good" group, and I was afraid he was going to ditch me after rescuing Imoen.

Thanks again!

Xanth · Post by **Xanth** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:52 am

I love having Keldorn in my group, but I tend to boot him out when I get to TOB. He said he would go home to his wife for good after we had rescued Imoen, and while I understand how he is honor bound to see the whole Irenicus thing through, there's no excuse for him wandering around the woods with my party after SOA is over. None! Get back from hell, have dinner with elves, say farewell... fin.

Of course, it all depends on my having done that subquest, and having finished it in that manner... But I usually do, so Keldorn just has to get over his mid life adventuring crisis, suck it up, and go home.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:30 am

If you take Keldorn with you all the way through Throne of Bhaal, the Epilogue will explain that he has a destiny almost as grand as a spawn of Bhaal. I personally have trouble reconciling that with his neglect of his family, but it just goes to show that his dedication to his life's work does not go unrewarded.

From a roleplaying perspective, I think it can be argued that even if Keldorn originally wanted to return to his wife after helping to rescue Imoen, he couldn't help being swept up in the main character's destiny. Look what happens when you fight Irenicus in Suldanesselar--he is literally dragged along no matter where you go, if you know what I mean. And in Throne of Bhaal, the Solar specifically tells you that other characters are caught up in the "thread" of the main character's destiny, which is why you can bring any of them along with you, even if you have to call them to you from a distance, if you know what I mean. Keldorn has a special interest in "protecting your soul". Like many of the other NPCs, he chooses to accompany the main character so he can do what he can to ensure the best outcome when the Sword Coast becomes awash in blood. Certainly a lot of things have changed since he first met your character, and perhaps his own plans should change accordingly. The other NPCs, of course, have reasons of their own for following the main character, the most selfish of which are "you're going to reward your good buddies, aren't you" and "there is power in your wake". But not all of the NPCs are so mercenary.

chimpmaster · Post by **chimpmaster** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:47 am

yeah but..

Yeah but the point is that you as the protagonist have the option of letting Keldorn return to his family.

He wants to, his wife and kids want him. If you dont let him go, you are denying him of a chance to have a good and peaceful life.

In true role playing terms, I dont believe this is a choice that a good character would make.

A chaotic good character would respect the individualistic choice of Keldorn to be with his family over being with the group. A neutral good character would want what is best for keldorn also.

Even a lawful good character would probably respect the institution of marriage first and foremost, and support keldorn returning to his family.

Neutral and evil characters would perhaps make different choices, but I believe a truly good character would unselfishly let and encourage keldorn to return to his family.

Thoughts?

Andante · Post by **Andante** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:38 am

Both of you (VonDondu and Chimpmaster) bring up some good points.

I think (aside from the NPC's getting swept up in the Protagonist's destiny) in the true roleplaying sense, a Lawful character would want Keldorn go back to his family. Especially if the character is Good.

Although, I think that a Lawful Evil character would reason with Keldorn like this:

"True, we did rescue Imoen. But she's still not 'completely' safe. As soon as you leave, we will probably be attacked, and she will more than likely die. You don't want that on your conscience, do you?"

The character would 'eventually' release the paladin from the party, but only after the PC gets everything s/he wants from him.

Galmar · Post by **Galmar** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:48 am

In ToB the reasoning is a lot simple, i just told a lot of the NPC's to do as i wish or wait in the pocket plane till they see the error of their ways. Keldorn had a DUTY to serve me, and accordingly thats all the reasoning i need to keep him along till he's of no further use to me.

The reason he was having troubles with his wife is that he neglected her, he should have been more attentive to her "needs".