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The end of the BG series?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 6:52 am
by Quitch
I was really happy when I saw the confirmed expansion on the news page.....until I saw this line
Throne of Bhaal is the ultimate conclusion of the Baldur's Gate legend as gamers fulfill their destiny as the child of Bhaal.
So I guess this is the end huh....damn. Not the best wy to go out, playing through a game you've already finished with a few extra locations tacked on
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Quitch
"Well since you asked, I would like to register a complaint. I want to kill a dragon. Right now. No, don't look. Go kill one now. Go find one and kill it. Right now. That would be SO cool" - Lilarcor
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 7:15 am
by Gruntboy
Well, Q. I'd much prefer a 3rd installment that carried on with the same old cr*p until I was a 40th level better-than-a-god character.
Of course, having killed all the Balor's/Demons/Taan-whatevers/Kobold's underpants in every plane by that point, who is to oppose you?
I've enjoyed the BG series but I want it to end, now. IWD/HoW is fresh. I want more things like that. Maybe I'll try something different. Like ballet lessons?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 7:28 am
by Weasel
Like ballet lessons??? I believe you can only get to level 20 that way..
(Seriously)
I would rather have more adventuring than the same fights over and over....as Gruntboy said in another thread...what is the difference between fighting Balors at level 30 to 40 and fighting Goblins at levels 1 to 10....none that I can see. As bad as I hate to see it end...maybe it is time.
IMHO
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 7:46 am
by Saigo
@GB & Weasel, on the one hand, I agree with you that once you can defeat the nastiest of opponents with ease, it's time to move on. On the other, the concept of achieving godhood through heroic deeds (and divine heritage) has precedent in mythology, e.g. Hercules. As long as there is still a challenge, I will enjoy playing. At this point, the logical next step is a confrontation with Baahl himself and/or Lolth herself, and the hordes of major demons, handmaidens, evil (super) heroes, etc. Could be fun.
But if Black Isle wants to continue the Baldur's Gate series, I would like for them to generate a new story line for a new collection of beginning adventurers. I love the low level stuff where the appearance of an ogre can make your knees knock, or the sight of a red dragon makes you wet yourself and run away.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 8:35 am
by bootlegcorndogs
Originally posted by Gruntboy:
I've enjoyed the BG series but I want it to end, now. IWD/HoW is fresh. I want more things like that. Maybe I'll try something different. Like ballet lessons?
Some spoilers, as always.
I'd rather not see it end, mainly because there are a lot of unresolved story issues, most of which I mentioned in an earlier thread. I'm not quite ready to give up the characters, yet. The PC I couldn't care less about...the godchild thing was interesting and all, but it's nothing that I can't live without. I like the NPCs, though. What about Minsc's personal quest? Jan's? What about Imoen? We've seen two and a half games on how your character deals with his heritage, how does she handle it? Jaheira? Viconia?
Basically what I'm getting at here is that they've created a lot of very interesting characters. It would be a shame to just ditch all of them simply because the storyline of the protagonist has kind of reached a dead end. They can't possibly bring some closure to all these characters in one expansion pack, unless of course they all die, which might be an interesting possibility. You get the idea.
Let the PC become a god, for all I care. I just want to know what happens to his/her companions afterwords. They're the interesting ones, anyway.
-BC
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:36 am
by Xandax
Yeah - I agree.
It would be nice to see closure to the NPC's that have followed you through these games
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 11:20 am
by TheDude
i have a idea about bg 3 with the name : bhaaly the child of the child of bhaal and jaheira
the adventures of a child with lovely parents
see how he becomes a trough son of his father
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 11:23 am
by Kieran_Frost
Why not do what Fallout 2 did, have your offspring continue the series. It would still be related to the Child of Bahla's child, but no level 40 or any other silly nonsense.
Kieran_Frost
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 11:46 am
by Weasel
"This expansion pack wraps up the storyline of the child of Bhaal saga. It's certainly not going to be the end of the Baldur's Gate series, but this will wrap things up for people who played Baldur's Gate, or who have played Baldur's Gate IIāsome or all of it."
Check out the main page here at GameBanshee for the link...Applebrown posted it
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 11:59 am
by Satyr
All good things must end. Personally, I'll be happy if they close this one off. As long as they start a new one, in a new location, new plot, etc..... perhaps tie it in somehow with references to this series, but I'd rather see my character retire than become some kind of god-like creature with ridiculous powers.
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"Pain hurts,
chicks dig scars,
glory lasts forever.
Let's do it."
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:41 pm
by JKC
The offspring idea will not work!!! Not everyone gets a love interest, unless they fix that problem in the expansion! It would severely limit your racial choices in BG3. Even though Anomen did romance my female dwarf, a half-dwarf is not a character choice, unless you're playing Dark Sun. (Besides, I can't stand the creep. My characters refuse to do the 'deed' with him, they'd rather kiss an orc). Korgan would be out for my dwarf, she is of a good alignment, my human monk booted Anomen out, because he was too arrogant. Maby Valygar...
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:46 pm
by Satyr
Female dwarf? don;t they have beards? What are you using for a portrait?
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"Pain heals,
chicks dig scars,
glory lasts forever.
Let's do it."
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 1:51 pm
by JKC
I found a portrait on Lady Nightshade's site. She even has a braided beard! She has a pretty face, even with the beard!
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 2:07 pm
by Quitch
Obviously some of the other games are fresh, with new ideas, but the simple fact is that during BG-BG2 you have speant hundreds of hours with some charcters (Imoen, Minsc and Jaheira having been with me almost all of the time) and you just can't generate that kind of attachment, without the same amount of time put into the new game.
I wish there had been a 3rd game, after all, don't the D&D rules go up to level 25?
As was said though, there's a certain satisfaction in the low level fights, that's missing later on. Problem is, low level, magic is far too wimpy.
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Quitch
"Well since you asked, I would like to register a complaint. I want to kill a dragon. Right now. No, don't look. Go kill one now. Go find one and kill it. Right now. That would be SO cool" - Lilarcor
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 2:13 pm
by Satyr
How about a prequel? You'd play your mortal parent and the plot would revolve around the circumstances leading up to your BG character's birth? NPCs would include Gorion.
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"Pain heals,
chicks dig scars,
glory lasts forever.
Let's do it."
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 2:18 pm
by Weasel
@Satyr...now that's a great idea....maybe get to meet Minsc and the rest of the NPC's parents...lot of great possibilities.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 2:25 pm
by Satyr
Minsc's parents would be priceless ... and how about some of Jan's relatives that we've heard so much about.
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"Pain heals,
chicks dig scars,
glory lasts forever.
Let's do it."
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 3:30 pm
by JKC
If you play your mortal parent, you would be playing a female! No problem with me, we need more decent female leads in RPG's!
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 3:56 pm
by The Outsider
I read the article on the expansion. Apparently, the exp cap in this one is 8 million; with a projected PC level of 40. Holy smokes, kids. This is... insane.
The expanion's gonna have to be a real tuneup of the AI. Also, it's gonna be really hard to run on anything under a godchild CPU. Imagine the spell effects in a mage battle at level 30!
Hang on. Are they going to have to create level 10, 14, etc spells for this?
The Bioware folks have a real challenge ahead of them. This should be interesting.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2001 4:30 pm
by Nighthawk
The front page here is talking about spells of 'Biblical' proportions. Might be good to check out the additional info on the expansion.