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Anybody else here absolutly despise Arthas. I do. I hate him because he is a betrayer and he basically went against everything I stand for. What a loser. If I were Illidan, I would have won!

LOL!!! I love that man (not in a sexual way though). He betrayed the power-hungry, greedy, and territorial humans and layed them to ruins by slaying their king! He personally killed his own father for greater power, then joins the undead (who is my favorite race) in order to summon the Burning Legion! And what power! I also love his Frostborn sword and his skeletal steed...not to mention that he just plain looks really dark, mysterious, malacious, and awsome. Although I favor the Undead over anyother race, so I guess you could consider it favoritism.

Well, sort of... I think I might of made the same choice to curse myself with frostmourne, to save my people. If I hadn't know that the frostmourne would've made me kill my own people...

Anyways, Arthas may of betrayed his people, but not of his own choosing. If you remember the game, what frostmourne does is steal your soul. Then after arthas defeated the dreadlord in the northlends he went into the wilds and slowly lost his sanity due to the lichking getting inside his head through the frostmourne. So without a soul and his sanity, Arthas, as he said, slayed all his own people and even his own father in the Lich King's name and felt no remourse.

I dont mean I hate him cuz of his personality but just because of what he became. He did recieve fair warning from Muradin. Did he listen, no.

don't like arthas either
a palladin should never have slaughtered that entire town

he was evil/ not palladin worthy from the start

He should have lost his paladin-powers at some point during the Humans-campaign. Simply because he was not a paladin anymore.

He wasn't evil, he was all goody little boyish from the start. It wasn't until the dreadlords and lich king started playing head games with him that he went mad while he was still human.

Was he still goody little boyish when he decided to kill everyone in the village? And to hire mercenaries and betray them afterwards? He didn't possess Frostmourne at that time. He should have become a fallen paladin by then and loose his abilities.

i agree
after that i found it ridiculous that he still had all of his paladin powers
they chould have given him other powers

[QUOTE=Rudar Dimble]Was he still goody little boyish when he decided to kill everyone in the village? And to hire mercenaries and betray them afterwards? He didn't possess Frostmourne at that time. He should have become a fallen paladin by then and loose his abilities.[/QUOTE]That was after the dreadlords and lich king started messing with him. Which is what I said.

And that was like 3 or 4 missions from the end. Do you think he should have kept his paladin-powers by then?

Yeah, whatever.

(it is my guess that) arthus started loosing his sanity when the dreadlords and the lichking started playing with his head.

as for loosing his powers... if the game made a fallen paliden hero class... who would they give it to? the undead or the humans. (remember, before the frosen throne expantion there was no nutural heros) both races had 3 heros and that was the balance of power in the game.

also, arthus really never became compleatly evil (or a fallen paleden) till he lost his soul to the frostmourne. remember, he beleaved that attacking the dreadlords (which is why he had that village attecked) he was serving his people... he belived that he was getting rid of the "leaders" of the undead.

If believe that some actions serve your people best, but they are in fact evil...that points out you are no paladin. A paladin always knows what's best for everyone and what is good an what is evil.

A paladin should never commit evil acts, even when he thinks it's best for his people.

And about the fallen paladin-class, I really don't care. I just think it's a flaw in the story-line. Nothing more, nothing less.

@Bloodthroe: Please don't post anything if you have nothing to add to the discussion...
People not doing that keeps GB what it is...a good forum

[QUOTE=Rudar Dimble]A paladin should never commit evil acts, even when he thinks it's best for his people.[/QUOTE]

just of off cureosity... wasn't arthus actually only learning to become a paladin? yes, the game play labled him as one, but in the story line, wasn't he still learning from unther? just a thought...

No Uther was a *higher ranked* paladin, but they both were paladins

[QUOTE=dark_raven](it is my guess that) arthus started loosing his sanity when the dreadlords and the lichking started playing with his head.

as for loosing his powers... if the game made a fallen paliden hero class... who would they give it to? the undead or the humans. (remember, before the frosen throne expantion there was no nutural heros) both races had 3 heros and that was the balance of power in the game.

also, arthus really never became compleatly evil (or a fallen paleden) till he lost his soul to the frostmourne. remember, he beleaved that attacking the dreadlords (which is why he had that village attecked) he was serving his people... he belived that he was getting rid of the "leaders" of the undead.[/QUOTE]This all is exactly what I said two posts ago, just not in such detail. Until it became a reason for people to start argueing with me.[QUOTE=Bloodthroe]He wasn't evil, he was all goody little boyish from the start. It wasn't until the dreadlords and lich king started playing head games with him that he went mad while he was still human.[/QUOTE]It's exactly how I see it and I'm sure it was how blizzard was trying to make the storyline seem.

[QUOTE=Bloodthroe]This all is exactly what I said two posts ago, just not in such detail. Until it became a reason for people to start argueing with me.It's exactly how I see it and I'm sure it was how blizzard was trying to make the storyline seem.[/QUOTE]
Then they didn't do a very good job .
I still see it this way: he did some evil things (I don't care *why* he did them, what matters is he did them) and is therefore no longer a paladin.

Hey and Bloodthroe, if you post on these forums you can always expect people starting argueing with you. If you can't stand that, just don't post...

Rudar it seems that nothing can deter your ideas of what a mythological paladin is and what the universal laws are on him.

Then they didn't do a very good job .
I still see it this way: he did some evil things (I don't care *why* he did them, what matters is he did them) and is therefore no longer a paladin..

Keep in mind, he IS no longer a paladin and is now a deathknight. He lost his paladin powers, but not his training. All his powers are now fueled by darkness instead of holyness. That is why blizzard calls the deathknight the paladin counter part.

Hey and Bloodthroe, if you post on these forums you can always expect people starting argueing with you. If you can't stand that, just don't post...

You see I expect people to argue with me whether or not I'm in the right. Some people just can't help it. That doesn't mean I should have to get used to it. I didn't come to this site to argue, I hardly think most people get online to argue with others. If neither people can change their minds then you should except that you have different opinions, but some people keep posting after everytime someone esle does that doesn't agree with them. I don't know if it is because they want the last word or if they can't except it until everyone agrees with them, but to them I just post this

Yeah, whatever.

He is no longer a paladin after he allied with the undead. But between he being a true paladin and he allying with the undead he did a lot of stuff that should have made him lose his paladin-powers. Now he chose to walk away from the paladin-path. To me that is something different...

And about that regard: people that post after I have posted my comment on their thoughts, just want the last word.
That's a really childish way of trying to prevent me from posting my comments. I say things when I think I need to say them, and if that's disturbing you...I don't care. But I won't stop posting just because you tried to make me look like someone who always needs to have the last word.
You made a comment on why you thought he was still a paladin, why can't I respond to that? Just because you don't like to hear that some people disagree? And a reply like: "Whatever", it sounds familiar. Oh, that's right, that's something my 3 year old nephew says to his sister when he wants her to shut up

Sure, I can accept that we have different opinions. But I would like to know just *why* you have that opinion. May be I agree with you when I know that. Or may be I got to know you better then...and I think that *is* the purpose of this site. By having a normal, descent discussion you get to know other people's motivations, moral values, etc. That's a good thing. Well at least in my opinion