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History... (no spam)

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:32 pm
by dark_raven
i'm cureous... who (one person) in history do you like/respect the most and why?

me, i like and respect Joan D'Arc (joan of arc) the most. i like her because she showed great currage and served her country better then woman at her time. she was a great warrior and the only thing that she could be convicted and put to death for was (this is funny :D ) wearing men's clothing.

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:05 pm
by SmokeSoft
Oh, Dark Raven, you couldn't have asked a tougher question! I've read so much and studied so many, I can't even begin to think of which time period to look to first!!!!

Funny thing is, being a historian, you kinda look down on historical figures. You study them for their effects and fails and rarely look to their pluses and accomplishments! :confused:

I guess I'll start with the one American I like/respect the most....its a shocker and will draw critics but....Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was young and brash during the stirring of revolution. He wanted to prove that he could be just as great as his counterparts and he did accomplish some very long lasting things for American and world history.

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:25 pm
by dark_raven
[QUOTE=SmokeSoft]Oh, Dark Raven, you couldn't have asked a tougher question! I've read so much and studied so many, I can't even begin to think of which time period to look to first!!!!

Funny thing is, being a historian, you kinda look down on historical figures. You study them for their effects and fails and rarely look to their pluses and accomplishments! :confused: [/QUOTE]

yea, i knew this question would be interesting to answer ;) and i usally look at most people in history and try to see the other side there life. i like to look at there point of view... it gets ya thinking :D

[QUOTE=SmokeSoft]I guess I'll start with the one American I like/respect the most....its a shocker and will draw critics but....Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was young and brash during the stirring of revolution. He wanted to prove that he could be just as great as his counterparts and he did accomplish some very long lasting things for American and world history.[/QUOTE]

very true...

i thank you for your answer and the thought put into it

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:37 pm
by Chanak
@Smokesoft: You won't draw any criticism from me on your choice: Thomas Jefferson is my own pick as well. Add Benjamin Franklin along with him, and you have two of my favorite figures in history. It's a shame that Franklin didn't get his way on the choice of a national symbol for the fledgling United States: his choice was the wild turkey. :D Really though, while the bald eagle looks pretty cool (no argument there), the wild turkey is a much more intelligent, noble bird than the bald eagle, who is primarily a scavenger. ;)

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:57 pm
by fable
Although I'm not fond of the Roman Empire in any respect, I'll pick Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Aurelius did one thing that few people in power ever do: he kept a sense of proportion. He realized just how much of a slave to nature he remained, and how much responsibility he bore for the exercise of his power over others. Rulers often make the second claim, but most of them are simply play-acting. Marcus Aurelius didn't. He believed as he did, and acted according to his beliefs, throughout his life. His lengthy journal of stoical Meditations and private doubts is a wonder of the "ancient world," in my opinion.

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:02 pm
by Galuf the Dwarf
[QUOTE=Chanak]@Smokesoft: You won't draw any criticism from me on your choice: Thomas Jefferson is my own pick as well. Add Benjamin Franklin along with him, and you have two of my favorite figures in history. It's a shame that Franklin didn't get his way on the choice of a national symbol for the fledgling United States: his choice was the wild turkey. :D Really though, while the bald eagle looks pretty cool (no argument there), the wild turkey is a much more intelligent, noble bird than the bald eagle, who is primarily a scavenger. ;) [/QUOTE]

Supposedly, the Bald Eagle, carrying arrows in its left talon, was supposed to represent the Iroquois League. That organization supposedly also inspired the rebels behind the Boston Tea Party to dress and act like natives, in order to symbolize the freedom that the colonies desired from their over-sea oppressors.

And to think, a few may associate a bundle of arrows with the symbol of the deity Hextor from D&D. :rolleyes: (Not implying anybody in particular, though.)

Anyways, my favorite American historical figure would have to be Jonathan Trumbull, the governor of Connecticut during the American Revolution. He supplied much aide to George Washingon, which gained Connecticut the nickname of the Provision State. In addition, CT was the only state that appointed its own governor.

From a more international standpoint, I'd have to say Winston Churchhill (sp?) was quite an impressive person outside of American shores. He seemed to be a very colorful orator, and as unmovable as a mountain in the face of despair. He may have hid in a bunker, but he did not give up when his country was devastated. He trudged on until the end of one of the world's darkest conflicts. Sure, there's more than likely to him than I know, so I'm open to whatever can be said about him.

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:12 am
by Rudar Dimble
Mother Theresa :) . I think that goes without saying. You might have a different opinion on this, but they don't have to have made a big impact on global politics. The question was whom I respected the most. Well, her...
(With ML King in a steady second position).

I have thought about more historical figures, but most of them lived in times with other moral values and did some things that I can't appriciate (although it was very common back then).

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:40 am
by Yeltsu
I have always been interested in Scotland, and I have always respected freedom fighters and patriots. So my choice would be William Wallace (I'm doing a prodject about him right now)

I also respect Saladin, The arab leader who fought the crusades to Jerusalem.

If I had to pick someone Norwegian, I guess it have to be Fritjof Nansen, he was a great man in all aspects.

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:27 pm
by giles337
Admire:- Martin Luther King: Obvious reasons.
Lenin: More Obvious Reasons
John Lenon: Yet more obvious reasons.

But the historical figures that interest me most are most definitely the Vexilles of france.

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:38 pm
by CM
Winston Churchil for me. Now that is a man to be admired.

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:17 pm
by Gromph
Pierre Trudeau, WOO GO CANADA!!!

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:33 pm
by Audace
Dog the Bountyhunter

....for obvious reasons