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Now this was new to me:

Demogorgon actually leaves his prison and runs around outside WK if you take the "real" Helmite Scroll, stay undecided on your actions concerning him and Brother Odren, leave the map and return later. You get a nice "Demogorgon has escaped" line when you enter the area and there he is, picking flowers outside the door.

Heh, that's new indeed

You can beat him outside of the keep as well? I might try that, sounds like a fun new battle.

You can even drag him to the top of the tower. I'll get some screenshots maybe.

Unfortunately I already did the Ritual - I really wonder if he would have attacked the Pontifex - that would be an interesting battle ...

Some Illustrations

Here are some pics of this rather uncommon situation.

One more

And finally, Demogorgons demise under the always watchful eye of Helm:

I never tried that. I really need to pick up the real scroll? Or can I do that by opening the locks entering, talking to him and going away?

I don't know and I was pretty surprised myself. I didn't find anything on this in the forum, so I thought I'd post it. I'm gonna experiment a little when I find the time, because I wonder what happens if the Pontifex is the area.

That would be cool. I find that Pontifex is harder to kill then Demodarling, but feels in my gut that he should be able to eat that Draco.

Best wishes; Palle

I hate Pontifex' timestop. He's one of the hardest battles in the game (spiketraps are as good as useless against him) and you certainly need to be of quite the high level to beat him. Which, in turn, is fun of course, because is requires the use of a lot of different tactics.

Unfortunately Demogorgon won't attack the Pontifex, neither will the Pontifex attack Demogorgon. And Mind Flayer Circlets don't work on either of the two as well.

[QUOTE=Phantom Lord]Unfortunately Demogorgon won't attack the Pontifex, neither will the Pontifex attack Demogorgon. And Mind Flayer Circlets don't work on either of the two as well.[/QUOTE]

I must be going nuts here, but what about trying to face em both together as a challenge? Is there a way, at least?

My biggest problem when fighting Demogorgon is trying to avoid his minions. A battle outside the Keep sounds like it would be a lot easier than a battle inside the Keep.

Pontifex was tough, but he wasn't as tough as the dragons in the Improved Small Teeth Pass, where there was no chance for buffing up, and their breath weapons can hit you all the way across the map. I didn't enjoy the Ritual, but I've only tried it once and I don't know if I did everything I was supposed to do.

Indeed, fighting Demogorgon outside the Keep has its advantages. You've got lots of space to use and the stairs and stuff can be used very strategically.

As for Pontifex, I'd say he's the toughest enemy I faced yet. The Dragons at the improved pass are nothing compared to him. Just buff a quick Stoneskin/Anti-Fear and slaughter them down. Piece of Cake.

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=VonDondu]My biggest problem when fighting Demogorgon is trying to avoid his minions. A battle outside the Keep sounds like it would be a lot easier than a battle inside the Keep.[/QUOTE]The space certainly helps in the fight, since you can draw his minions away from him and he doesn't follow you around much. On the other hand, you have to take Demogorgon down in the end and the possibility to avoid him is also distracting. He just keeps gating in Glabrezu and firing Earthquakes (not sure if he can do this inside the keep btw) and the overall situation gets worse the longer the fight takes. The best way I found to deal with him was to have some strong summons (Mordekainen, Planetar, Greater Elementals) to deal with the Mariliths, to focus my characters on him exclusively and take him down with brute force (+6 weapons and greater whirlwinds basically).

[QUOTE=Luis Antonio]I must be going nuts here, but what about trying to face em both together as a challenge? Is there a way, at least?[/QUOTE]I tried that one ... the Pontifex simply dusted my two unbuffed and unprepared (but very high level and armed to the teeth) characters during my first try and I think it would be at least very difficult to get away with that.

Unlike Demogorgon, the Pontifex follows you around (using dimension door to make matters worse). In the meantime, Demogorgon summons an army of demons that come after you. If you manage to survive all that, you've still got Demogorgon left.

In case I give it another try one day, I'll certainly post some screnshots of that ...

Well, I tried it. I poked Pontifex, while Demogorgon began his conquer of the mortal plane.

Unfortunately, the only way I managed to defeat them, was using Projected Planetars cheese. Too unfair :/

I tried it with a completely buffed, completely armed high-level party, but it was too tough without cheese. Maybe it's my skill, but having that superfast, super mean yellow dragon try to chew on you, while Gorgie opens gates to his home calling his buddies is really a challenge.

who is the pontifeks?
do you only get to figth him when downloading a mod or something?

Yea, I think Pontifex is on the Tactics Mod...not sure though. I just fought Demogorgan today and was shocked at how simple he was. I remember when I fought him before, I had a devil of a time and eventually gave up and used the trap cheese. I could never imagine someone wanting an "Improved Demogorgan." At that time I was relatively new to the game and the rules/strategies that you use to win battles. I am very comfortable with the game now, after having beaten it several times, and that makes all the difference in the world. I have an answer for almost everything the enemies can throw at me....but back to the point...I simply hit this "Prince of Demons" with a perfectly timed spellstrike and had my 2 fighters (Sarevok with Psion's Blade and Korgan with Axe of Unyeilding/Crom Faeyr) attack him with greater-whirlwind. He went down FAST. I didn't even have to cast greater-whirlwind a second time. Sarevok, whose health was about 50%, was the only one they even TOUCHED. I reloaded again to see if it was a fluke and took quite a bit more damage but still managed to defeat Demo without losing anyone myself. Anyways, it's pretty cool how strategy is a huge part of this game as opposed to the hack-and-slash rpg's you see a lot of now. I'm looking forward to using a lot of difficulty-increasing mods next time around

[QUOTE=rebel3_6_1]I'm looking forward to using a lot of difficulty-increasing mods next time around [/QUOTE]Simply install Tactics, follow the above recipe, take on Demogorgon and the Pontifex at the same time and I'll guarantee you that you won't call the result "too easy".

I've tried it with a two member party, but then one member was a F/M/T who is 30+ in the F&T departments and 20+ concerning M, plus Sarevok at level 35.