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in my eyes the contenders for this tittle are

Armor of the Hart AC -2

Gorgon plate AC -1
acid&fire res 15

Red Dragon Scale AC-1
50 fire res

Plate of Balduran AC -1
Charishma +1, HP's +5

the gorgon plate migth not look as something at first..but it has some very good ac improvements versus slashing weapons...a whooping -6..compared to the dragon scales VERY meager ac improvements..one would have thought it was tougher

and for the armor of the hart and the balduran plate, they have the same ac bonuses..in my eyes its worth to drop the extra AC from the armor of the hart, in favor of the +1 cha and +5 HP...and drow full plate +5..dont even mention it..you only get it for a short time..and its cheating to cheat it out of the underdark

please give me your oppinions

I noticed that the "black" dragon scale was +1. That was a little disappointing.

its a leather armor...and far the best leather you can find in the game...it would count as a leather +7!!!

One thing missing from the equation is that the Dragon Scale CAN be used with "+" items while the plate mails can't. Since a ROP +2 will give +2 to all saves, not just to AC if you're trying to max out a single character this is much better overall protection.

I think Keldorn's Firecam Full Plate should get honorable mention on this list. If it could be worn by a character, it would be a contender at AC 0 due to it's Free Action ability.

BTW, any else notice the first few rooms of the Cult of the Eyeless area seem designed to showcase Keldorn's abilities? Right after you meet him you run into web traps and invisible monsters.

As far as leather armors go, Shadow Dragon Scale AC1, Aeger's Hide AC3, The Night's Gift AC3, and Human Flesh AC3 are probably the best of the best depending on your character.

For my barbarian I wish there was an armor that gave damage resist to combine with his natural ability and Defender of Easthaven. Since I can't commision Jan to make a barbarian version of Adventurewear it looks like the best are Crimson Chain AC0, Shadow Dragon AC1 and Aeger's Hide AC3.

My kensai will have to stick with Liquid Platemail (also know as Potions of Defense).

true for the draggon plate..but i think most are using a magic plate, ring of gaxx and the ring of free action as the best combo..and you have no problems as the ring of gaxx doesnt counts as a magic item..making me wonder if wizard slayers can use it.. And yes, keldorn's plate is envy worthy

I don't use the Ring of Free Action much since it blocks the ability of the Boots of Speed. Now on my second run through the game I have four pairs of Boots of Speed, so no Rings of Free Action for me!

Pride of the Legion is another good suit of armor-it gives AC -1,although no other special abilities.I think this is the suit you get for completing the paladin stronghold quests,but i am not sure.

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Bah..the boots of speed are poor..the only benefit you get is increased walking speed..nothing else...the abilties of the ring of free action is much better...and with the boots..the char runs away from his party..no good

the pride of the legion is just an ordinary platearmor +2 you get quite a few of them ingame

Since it is considered AC -1,it is equal to Full Plate Mail +2

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And so what?

its AC-1 with no bells of whistles

like the red dwaggie plate or the balduran one im talking about and want oppinions on.

I thought in this topic we are talking about suits of plate armor.Others posted about leather armor and no one complained.
And i don't think there are so many armors with AC -1.

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[This message has been edited by Bill (edited 11-29-2000).]

yep..please stick to the topic i set

ugh.....Yes sir!

It's my fault. I didn't realize the "black" dragon armor was leather.

My bad.

Well, some of this is off topic. Sorry.

Most of the time my rings would be Ring of Gaxx and Ring of Protection +2 for a total +4 to saving throws meaning at high level the Ring of Free action would be almost useless. You can only do that with Red Dragon Scale.

At the same time, it's not that hard to hit the AC -10 limit and you only get the bonuses beyond that with plate.

So, the issue becomes whether spells or physical damage is more dangerous. I lean towards spells most of the time.


The only documented benefit from the Boots of Speed is faster movement...and that would be plenty for them to be my favorite boots...but they ALSO give a BONUS 1/2 attack. This doesn't work for all characters, but it seems to work for most fighter types.

Since I usually have them on a tank who wants to be in melee with the enemy and can single handedly take out 90% of the enemies in the game I don't usually worry about him getting ahead. With 2 pairs right now I have them on my kensai and Keldorn (whose free action plate doesn't hinder the boots either).

i just checked, you still get the improved attack WITH the ring of free action

Ok, her's my 0,04Euro worth (same joke, I know).

I think the dragon scale armor is best, It has low armor class and you can wear a Ring of protection +2. As (IMHO) saving throws are much more importand than AC. This is a good combination. It give you a AC of around -9 and some very cool saving throws (making saves against web traps a brieze ).

Of course the 50% fire res is pretty cool too!
My Ranger wearing the ring of Gaxx, Ring of protection +2 and the red dragon scale armor is a force to be reconed with!

Besides, to be totaly honest, how many spiderish traps did you encouner anyway?

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It's not only Web traps, but also things like Entangle, and that is something you encounter more often. Also, doesn't it protect against Hold spells??

By the way, Source, your Euro calculation is off, right?? I mean, what currency is the 0,02 cents in? If it's in Dutch Guilders, this would be about 0,01 Euro. I'm not entirely well-known with the current exchange values ... ah, I'm going off-topic again.

In my party I use the Red Dragon Scale (Viconia), the Gorgon Plate (Minsc) and the Armor of the Heart (Jaheira) - if I'm right!

For my main (F/T), I use the Shadow Dragon Scale, and Nalia uses the Robe of Vecna. I forgot what Imoen is wearing ...

AC is not everything ... resistances and other boni can also be very important.

Maurice 'bout the Euro calculation:
Since my 2 cents worth is an american saying i used a dollar a the staring point. recalculate and... voila.

And about the spider stuff, read again