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Persuade - a simple question
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:29 pm
by Suicide Girl
Quite a simple and straightforward question; I've tried Search but I haven't found an answer.
Just how high should my Persuade skill be? I'm currently a level 15 Consular, level 5 Jedi Master, and I've just finished Dantooine and Nar Shaddaa. My Charisma is 15, +2 (I get a +1 bonus to CHA from my armour and lightsaber), and my Persuade skill's base rank is 21, with a +4 bonus bringing it to a total of 25 (+1 from armour and Empathy feat)
So I'm currently at 25 with Persuade, and still got a little over half the game to go (I guess). How much longer should I insist on raising Persuade a point per level (I've skipped it twice already)?
Note that I'm not looking for a definite numerical answer.
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:08 pm
by Kyle09
I think its good as it is, I only had a persuade of 21 throughout the game and I had no trouble persuading anyone at all, but 25 thats pretty crazy at least for me
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:55 pm
by The Reaper
I find Force to be a much better persuasive tool than normal.
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:48 am
by Suicide Girl
Thanks, Kyle; I guess I'll just leave it, then.
Reaper, I have to admit I prefer the 'normal' way. I guess force persuasion is more useful and less time- and skill-point-consuming, but I just can't help looking at it as cheating.
I'm too goody-goody, I consider it too mean and manipulative. While intimidation is juuuust fine...
Anyway, the stupidest thing I could do right now is take Force Persuade and waste all my skill points and a Force power slot. Still, thanks for the input.
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:52 pm
by Vic20
there it situations when force persuade dosent work but the skill persuade does
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:12 pm
by The Reaper
Yes... I suppose you're right Vic. I have been into a number of situations where I am confronted by someone and I try to Force their mind to think like mine and it doesn't work because: they've been trained to resisted mind tricks etc... etc.
So I know about these sort of things, but I still think if you want a fast, quick efficiant way to persuade Force Persuade is the one for you. Even if you use it as a last resort, it still is very useful.
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:38 am
by Xandax
I've always found ordinary persuade to be better then Force Persuade due to it often seeming to be connected with DS, and I would recommend about 20-25 as max for that skill.
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:25 am
by The Reaper
Well I suppose if you did want to avoid the Dark Side maybe Force Persuade might be a Force power you might want to stay away from. Although, in some situations you can use it and get away with it - if you had good intentions...
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:22 pm
by Wingly
Meh..
A good number to have your regular persuade is about 24 to about 27. And if you feel like rakeing the dark side points.. but are to lazy to battle.. (Hey.. I know the feeling.) Just you the Affect mind, or Dominate mind.. it will show up as Force Persuade.. but then again, some main point people, are resistant to such a technique.. (Those smart son of a...) But, at the rate your going, your fine.. all in all..
And I also played through a game just using the computers recommended slots.. it seems to focus around persuade, and demolisions. (Was playing as a Jedi Guardian, at the time.)
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:37 pm
by The Reaper
I've started a new file on KOTOR: II to try and see which one would be better to use Force persuade or normal. So, before I start filling in my disired skills I must ask Wingly. You said a good number to have is about 24 to around 27. If I got my persuade up that high is there a definate chance of success with all converstations? Or must I keep working even after that to keep it up to date?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:56 pm
by Suicide Girl
I'd like to know, too. I'm currently at the same Persuade level as in my first post, and I failed in persuading the riot-starter Ponlar in Iziz to give it up when he started calling the crowd to attack the palace. Does that mean I should continue working on Persuade or is he just one of those must-fail cases?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:09 pm
by w666tvr
I *think* only Force Persuade works there.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:27 am
by Suicide Girl
Super. That means I'll either gain influence with Kreia, or kill random citizens. Now what should I do?!...
Ignore me, I'm just spamming.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:36 am
by The Reaper
Okay, my last words on this topic have to be if you want to be a perfect 'persuaderist' spend your skills on both normal Persuade and Force Persuade. Some situations normal will not work, so having Force Persuade by your side also is also a handy tool.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:58 am
by Vic20
acording to me it is way cooler to have force persuade "funny hand movement" you will bend down and kiss my feet
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:02 am
by Xandax
[QUOTE=w666tvr]I *think* only Force Persuade works there.[/QUOTE]
I do seem to recall have persuaded there without using force persuading.
I never take that power anyway, and I have persauded him, which only leaves ordinary persuasion to go. But then again - I usually have high charisma as well as high persuade, but I couldn't tell you what the levels were at.
Perhaps I should replay KOTOR2 again some time in the future....
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:13 am
by Hill-Shatar
[QUOTE=Xandax]I do seem to recall have persuaded there without using force persuading.
I never take that power anyway, and I have persauded him, which only leaves ordinary persuasion to go. But then again - I usually have high charisma as well as high persuade, but I couldn't tell you what the levels were at.
Perhaps I should replay KOTOR2 again some time in the future....[/QUOTE]
I once had a persuasion total of thirty (maybe above, I don't know how much I had in the way of addons) and failed. All in the roll of the dice, I guess, even though I tried a good dozen times. Eventually, as I was trying to get Bao-Dur as a Jedi, I broke down and use force persuade, which also failed repeatedly.
That man is one of the harder ones in the game to convince. Most if not all the others I had no problems with.
