Need thac0

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:26 am

My assasin needs thaco he has 21 on off hand and (being me i found out ill only have 14 in the off hand)

P.S
I have a dagger in the off hand

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 12:17 pm

Whoops i ment inh the end ill only have 14

[ 07-05-2001: Message edited by: craig ]

Sabre · Post by **Sabre** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 12:23 pm

What's his base THAC0? Since you're dual wielding, did you put any points in Two Weapon Style? Also which dagger are you using, does it gives THAC0 bonus?

Pebz · Post by **Pebz** » Thu Jul 05, 2001 3:38 pm

thac0 14???? thats horrible?! my lvl 23 assassin has thac0 5 in main hand and thac0 10 in off hand (1 and 6 while hidden in the shadows) and i dont even have a star in two weapon style! thac0 is 1 (-3 while hidden in the shadows) when using single weapon style.

PDF · Post by **PDF** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 7:03 am

Huh, a base THAC0 of 14 is for a lvl 15 assassin IIRC...If this is your adjusted THAC0 your char sucks, sorry !
To have a better THAC0 you need
-better proficiencies- but a thief cannot specialize
-better strength - girdles et al.
-better weapons - their + is to THAC0
-at worst give up your off hand weapon, better to have one reasonable THAC0 than two crappy ones...

IMO best idea is to start as a Fighter and immediately switch to Thief. A 7th lvl Fighter has THAC0 14, can have 18/xx strength naturally, has already 6 profs slots AND can specialize...
My dual Ftr6/Thief23 (he's only Ftr 6 as I did BG1 and TotSC with him) has a base THAC0 at 10, but has +10 bonuses so has a real THAC0 at 0 (auto hit), -4 when backstabbing...

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 9:33 am

Stats are
18
19
17
10
10
13
He's only using +1 at the mo his base is 18 on is 17 and of is 21(at the mo)in the end he only gets 10(on) and 14 (off)

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:49 am

PDF · Post by **PDF** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:12 am

Craig,
I still have difficulties understanding your question...
What do you mean by "at start", "at the moment", "in the end" ?? You refer to game progress ?
More importantly, what are your char's weapons specs ? If you're a straight Assasin I suppose you only have 1 level in each...So it's a bad idea to dual wield, as you fight at -2(main)/-6(off hand)...
Why didn't you use "THAC0 improvers" such as :
-Girdles of strength (+3 or +4 depending on the type)
-Bracers of wpn mastery (or stg like this) gives +1
- AND use a real kickass weapon (at least +3 !)
With all this you could gain a total of +8/9 to your on-hand THAC0, it'll change your life...
Else give up playing crappy Assassin, try a Swashbuckler, or dual a Fighter to Thief...
Well, I realize I'm rewriting my previous post...

Red Inquisition · Post by **Red Inquisition** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:19 am

Put more *'s in the dual-weild slot and in the type of wepons you are using.

Sabre · Post by **Sabre** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:22 am

I've created an Assassin with your stats and got the same THAC0 as you did, so I don't think there's a problem with your Assassin. The best 'natural' THAC0 for Thief classes while dual wielding is 10 and 14; you can put a star in Two Weapons Style, and they will become 8 and 12. To improve it further, use weapons that give THAC0 bonuses.

[ 07-10-2001: Message edited by: Sabre ]