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Im playing my Ventrue mainly by using persuasion in dialoge to get where i want to. Is there any good reason to get some seduction skills in addition? I still want to retain some combat-readiness, so IF i get seduction: how many points of it would u suggest?

On the other hand: how much persuasion do i need to get the most quests completed?

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The major advantage of seduction is that you have access to the blooddolls in the club. If you're concentrating on the persuasion way, I wouldnt spend too much points on it, unless you like it.
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I certainly wouldn't spend so many points as to be able to seduce the blood doll in Chinatown (8 is needed), since the girls in the Lotus blossom are a more than decent alternative (once you cleaned the place out of Tongs).

As for persuasion, 6 helps you out for most quests, apart from a few at the later stages, spoilers follow:

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Giovanni inheritors: you'd need 9 to get the full XPs for this, but since nowhere else you need that high a persuasion it's actually a loss (since it costs you more than you get out of it to rais persuasion to 9, however you do it).
Serial Killer: I believe 8 is needed to convince him to stop killing, without you needing to kill him (but it will give you a masquerad violation if you're playing with the official patch only).

There is one case I'm not sure of the scores anymore:

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Nadia (Giovanni mansion), I don't know what scores are exactly needed to convince her to help you or even talk to you. To talk to her you need at least some persuasion, 6 should be OK I think, but to convince her to help you, you might need a higher score, I'm not sure anymore. She can also be seduced but again, not sure of the score, but it might be 6 or 7.

Well that was pretty exactly what i was looking for. Thx, helped a lot!

I think the layout for Seduction to get Blood Dolls are 4 in Santa Monica, 5 Downtown, 6 maybe 7 in Hollywood and Lestat mentioned the Chinatown amount of 8, which actually used to be 9 but was changed by Wesp5 in the Unoffical Patch.
I use Blood Dolls often, with you playing a Vent with no access to Rat Blood, unless you have a good Haggle score to get Blood Packs cheaper Blood Dolls are a great source and conviently located, well imo.

It's 6 for the one in Hollywood (I'm sure since I did that only recently).

I am fairly sure it's 8 for the one in Chinatown, even if you patch only with the official patch (as I do).

I forgot that as a ventrue it might indeed be more needed to have access to the blooddolls. I still think the Chinatown one is a bit too high a requirement though. You can always hop into a taxi and visit one of the other ones.

I already tried it once as a Ventrue and had absolutely NO problems with my Blood-resources, so this will definitly NOT be the point that makes me get more seduction. In fact I only want to be able to play the game as good as possible meaning getting (nearly as im still role playing) every exp possible...

"I am fairly sure it's 8 for the one in Chinatown, even if you patch only with the official patch (as I do)."

Certianly possible, though I remember Wesp5 specificly saying he reduced it from 9 cause he thought it was too high.

I don't have my orginal pak files anymore to check, since after unpacking them I deleted them to save 2 gig of unnecessary wasted space.
I remember it is in the orginal Dan_upright thread at Gamespy, where we have done all the testing of the Unofficial Patches, well since we moved from the orginal Official site Dilapidation was bought out by Gamespy.
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampir ... id=1549886

Sadly both would be to much trouble for me to check currently, I am in the middle of testing Unofficial Patch 2.4, it means I would have to reinstall or scan 450 post, yuk!

O'well maybe someone whom has the orginal dialogue files can check there Vampire\dlg\generic\doll4.dlg and let us know.

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Sadly both would be to much trouble for me to check currently, I am in the middle of testing Unofficial Patch 2.4, it means I would have to reinstall or scan 450 post, yuk!

O'well maybe someone whom has the orginal dialogue files can check there Vampire\dlg\generic\doll4.dlg and let us know. [/QUOTE]

Certainly. Lestat is correct. The Chinatown blood doll never requried a seduction feat of more than 8.

"Certainly. Lestat is correct. The Chinatown blood doll never requried a seduction feat of more than 8."

Cool thanks.

I didn't think anyone would have the orginal version, without ever adding the Unoffical patches.

[QUOTE=Acleacius]"Certainly. Lestat is correct. The Chinatown blood doll never requried a seduction feat of more than 8."

Cool thanks.

I didn't think anyone would have the orginal version, without ever adding the Unoffical patches. [/QUOTE]

Heh. I remember being dissatisfied with something in patch 1.8, so I uininstalled and reinstalled to the official 1.2 patch. Then I backed up the entire contents of the Vampire directory before installing the next unofficial patch, to avoid having to uninstall and reinstall again if I didn't like it. I've kept that back up ever since.

I haven't used it for anything other than stuff like this, though. It's nice to be able to look back at the original files. Helped me understand why the unofficial patchers saw fit to change the way the Therese/Jeanette conflict works.

Anyway, getting back on topic a bit... 8 is the highest seduction feat check in the game. Only the China Town blood doll requires it. That chick you can seduce in the Giovani mansion is a little more flustered and lovestruck in her reactions to you if your seduction is 8 or higher, but if I remember correctly she only requires a seduction of 5 or 6. To seduce the prostitutes for a free meal requires seduction 7.

"Helped me understand why the unofficial patchers saw fit to change the way the Therese/Jeanette conflict works."

I know I posted about this somewhere but lack of sleep is preventing me from finding it.
Not sure if you knew but Wesp5 had Robinhood70 change it back, in the current 2.4 version, though when I played through I played it as they made in 2.3, so I haven't checked persoanlly, but intend to replay Santa Monica after I complete my first play through and testing of 2.4.

Changed it back in 2.4? How so? I just ran a comparison of the Therese, Jeanette, and Tourette dialogue files for 2.3 vs those for 2.4. The only differences found were in Jeanette's, and had nothing to do with reconciling her with Therese. The lines added/changed were to accomodate the encounter they mentioned restoring in the 2.4 patch notes.

EDIT: Hmm, I may have spoken too soon. Looks like they removed the seduction feat requirement from at least one more dialogue choice with Jeanette, making it easier to appease her and thus reconcile her with Therese in the end.

Honestly I don't know yet, as I mentioned I have been trying to finish testing a full play through of 2.4.

The issuees I brought up were that orginally you didn't have to suckup to Therese to be able to unite them and now you do.
Since I play a Malk mostly, she always see to see through who is good/ bad or lie/truth, so I never felt a need to be more than cordial to Therese.

I had the impression when talking to Wesp he was going to remove some of the addtional requirments Robinhood had added.

One thing I think Robinhood raised Therese's Sedution requirments (damn I guess I will add a second clean install) but if you want you can.check the Seduce requirements on line 481 of the 2.4 , 2.3 and orginal if you wish.
I believe orgianlly Persuade was how you influenced Therese and Seduce was how you effected Jeanette, which made complete sence, but now he seems to be forcing us to Seduce Therese which goes against her personality, imo.

Anyway back to testing made it to End Game Ventrue Tower.
Getting really anzty, gonna try to Suckout LaCroix's Soul like pennypincher told us about, problem is not sure Lacriox has a soul.

Since we've pretty much highjacked this thread now, I think I'll continue this discussion in PMs