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Do level ups stack?
If I have a level up at level 10, do I have to use it, or could I get 2 more level ups and level up to 12, or would I not get any more experience until I level up?

You would continue to gain experience, but as an 11th level character effectively, so staying a level ten to get more experience to make it easier won't work that way.

Actually, I was hoping to stay as a level 10 fighter, then join a prestige class once a make the requirements and use the level ups on that class.

wait, what prestige class are you going into and why do you need to wait on leveling up before going into it? Alignment change or something?

Aleron wrote:Actually, I was hoping to stay as a level 10 fighter, then join a prestige class once a make the requirements and use the level ups on that class.

Sorry, no offence but:
This makes no sense the way the requirements to prestige classes work.

In order to qualify, you need to fulfill skill, feat or BAB/spellcasting minimum requirements. All of which require you to raise levels in some class or another. If you do not qualify now, then you would have no way to qualify later; not until you spend those levels.

I suggest you plan your level class purchases properly to allow entry to the desired prestige class as soon as able.

shift244 wrote:Sorry, no offence but:
This makes no sense the way the requirements to prestige classes work.

In order to qualify, you need to fulfill skill, feat or BAB/spellcasting minimum requirements. All of which require you to raise levels in some class or another. If you do not qualify now, then you would have no way to qualify later; not until you spend those levels.

I suggest you plan your level class purchases properly to allow entry to the desired prestige class as soon as able.

There is also alignment restrictions on a few classes.

Which means if there are alignment restrictions, this creates a plausible excuse for not wanting to level.

A dwarven fighter at 10th level meets all the requirements for Dwarven Defender except that he's Neutral good and needs to become Lawful Good. So, he holds off leveling and does a few lawful acts in neverwinter and then trains in to Dwarven Defender, completely able to obtain all ten levels of this prestige class.

Point noted.

But I was also under the impression that regardless of what your actual alignment is, there is a default alignment that you started with. What this means is that while loosing Lawful Good will bar you from buying Paladin levels, but if you started as a Lawful Monk, you can never get a Barbarian level despite being more Chaotic than Xaxis.

This is supposedly to prevent Monk1/Bard1/RDD10 or Paladin/Blackguard builds of some sort. Despite I cannot see the reason for it.

Has this been changed in a patch, or was I under the wrong impression all along?

I have no idea if it's been changed or if it's the way you describe, but considering the similar abilities and how a Blackguard is a "fallen" paladin, wouldn't it make sense for a paladin to be taking that class? If NWN2 didn't allow this, that might just be the dumbest thing I've heard about this game yet.

Well, I'm not sure really. The flavor of the Blackguard is... something I cannot wrap my mind around properly. To me a Paladin is a paladin. There's no anti-paladin, or a Chaos Paladin or what such nonsense. A fallen Paladin is basically much like a Fighter.

To me the Blackguard is an evil champion of a deity that has powers granted by the patron, but is more martial than a cleric.

I'm not sure if what I posted before it true or not either. My characters all start with an alignment and generally follow that alignment for the entire career. I don't go for builds that requires trashing an alignment for a new one... generally, because campaigns such as these are often not complex enough to make it fit.

As to why, like I've said before, it might be some balance thing that they've considered for multiplayer? I'm not sure. And in the case of the Blackguard, the Paladin would probably be a Paladin with Evil alignment, and some abilities with Good swapped out for Evil ones. Effectively, the levels don't stack either since Non Lawful Good Paladin levels by D&D 3.5 rules are Fighter levels without his bonus feats.

Just for an example, Anakin Skywalker was the equivelant of a "Fallen Paladin." He was a good Jedi, but became clouded with Sidious messed with him, and he became Darth Vadar, the anti-thesis to what he was previously.

A fallen paladin isn't a fighter. They have a bunch of divine influences, as well as many of the same abilities a regular paladin has, only in the opposite alignment form.

I already meet the requirements, I just wanted to spend my last 10 levels on prestige, but now I find out that prestige is only 5 levels so it does not matter.
There are 20 levels in total? Or is this for each class and not everything?

20 levels total. And considering what you just explained, why did you bother saving your level ups? You already meet the requirements for this class, and even if it was a ten level class, there would be no reprecautions of doing it now versus later. You would indeed gain all ten levels whichever way you chose.

You get twenty class levels total so if you had a +1 ecl you could get to level 21 including the ECL.


on a side-note the Blackgaurd isn't a fallen paladin but an anti-paladin.

DrowishFighter wrote:You get twenty class levels total so if you had a +1 ecl you could get to level 21 including the ECL.


on a side-note the Blackgaurd isn't a fallen paladin but an anti-paladin.

Umm...a "fallen Paladin" could fit in the description of the "Anti-paladin." The blackguard could be both. Not to mention, I'm reading the dungeon masters guide, and they have a whole section laid out just for "Fallen Paladins" and it's titled "Fallen paladins."

A blackguard IS the anti-thesis to a paladin and can BE a fallen paladin at that.

Siberys wrote:Umm...a "fallen Paladin" could fit in the description of the "Anti-paladin." The blackguard could be both. Not to mention, I'm reading the dungeon masters guide, and they have a whole section laid out just for "Fallen Paladins" and it's titled "Fallen paladins."

A blackguard IS the anti-thesis to a paladin and can BE a fallen paladin at that.

True but why would you want to it's just a waist of levels.

Siberys wrote:Anakin Skywalker was the equivelant of a "Fallen Paladin."

Well... I suppose one can say that "it's up to your point of view". My case is that a Paladin is a chosen warrior upholding righteousness and goodness for a good deity. The deity portion is not the core of the Paladin, otherwise, that would be of little difference between more martial clerics; like clerics of Torm. The Blackguard, like I said, I've never really felt it's theme... the anti-paladin.. a "Death Knight" seems to suit better.

It is the righteousness and goodness in which the Paladin stands for that wins the character, favors from good gods, nor merely because they are the chosen patron. To fall from Paladinhood is to fail these concepts, not the god; but enough that they no longer gain these favors.. hence a they become like a Fighter.

Clerics do not loose spells even if they totally change alignments to differ from their chosen patron. But then, RP wise, a cleric would also more likely go about this change by changing faiths. A Paladin does not fall this way, his is a more rigid code to adhere to.

To say that a Jedi is a Paladin is, I would consider farcical. A Jedi upholds law and discipline above good, if good at all. A paladin is first and foremost a bastion of goodness, tough he recognizes the benefits of law and accepts them as a means to uphold good in most cases. Exploring the Light and Dark side of the forces, I would think it better fitting to label them as Lawful vs Chaotic approach to a subject; much more like Wizards and Sorcerers.

But I detract from the point of the thread.

To the OP, if you're worried about xp penalties, I see no reason to hold back those levels otherwise, know that Prestige class do not count against it not being a favored class. Unless you are playing something like a Dwarven Paladin(2)/Sorcerer(6)/EldritchKnight(10), where you might want to hold some levels to avoid as much xp penalties as you can, there should be no real need to hold levels back.

I wasn't comparing the two types of warriors, I was merely using an analogy in a figurative sense. Paladin/Blackguard is the equivalent reciprocal of Jedi/Sith.