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From the thread "Help a Sequel get made"

So Fable this is what you call fair use of your positition you twist my statements and when I provide proof that you did you quickly come up with language and spam as a reason to remove my post, So I am guessing that no one can point out you twisiting other ...

Please take your disagreements to PMs or emails, please. The point of this thread is to discuss Bloodlines' low sales figures and what went wrong - not how best to convince thousands of people to buy the game. If the thread continues in this manner, it's going to be closed.

I started this thread ...

Actually, I like the game quite a bit. I just can't see that if everybody got their friends and relatives to buy Bloodlines, it would change anything, since the game has been on the market roughly 6 months, with very poor sales--sales that by an extremely conservative estimate would have to ...

First of, John. Learn to argue correctly. You have ignored all of Fable's questions, and attempted to turn everything around on him. He has provided facts, and has a history of doing so (just do a basic search on any of the discussions he's posted in on GB). And yes, that is a relevant point, as it ...

You have yet to answer my main requests for information. I have already answered most of yours. With respect, when you do reply to the main concerns I've voiced, I'll be glad to discuss the marketing department structure of Atari over the years, and other matters.

The only question you asked me ...

I was trying to help you get it clear in your mind that Troika did in fact have a licensing arrangement for the use of the engine, and that you were wrong when you wrote, "Troika did not the license the engine in any way." The main questions I asked you were, and reman, as follows: 1) Show evidence ...

I would just like to note that the reason Bloodlines was released at the same time as HL2 was because the Half Life 2 engine had already been leaked once, and it was done for preventative measures, to make sure the engine couldn't be, in some manner, ripped again. It has nothing to do with ...

Yeah I know I am going to sound like a liar to come back and say after I said I was done, but I really had comment on this one:

This is the information you've provided, thus far: 1) It's "public knowledge" that Valve sabotaged the marketing of Bloodlines, a few of us know this because we discussed ...

Message to the fans not Fable if you want a sequel then help the game sell that is the best way, petitions (mailing letters will also help but it will not sway the decision that much) may add to it but it is not the best way to get a sequel, everyone knows someone that you don't (at least one) your ...

The fact remains that Bloodlines was very poorly marketed. And they weren't simply "busy" with Half-Life2. They have a large marketing department and set up campaigns in considerable advance of release. They simply got their marketing strategy wrong.

As stated above:

Also Valve made it strick ...

Again, you're misinformed. If Troika had not licensed the engine from Valve, they couldn't have used it. What you refer to as "some kind of business relation" clearly involved licensing the engine for Bloodlines.

Valve loaned the engine as stated by Leonard Boyarkys (not sure if I spelled his ...

[QUOTE=fable]I never stated Troika was the publisher, nor did I think they were. But someone *does* own rights to the game engine, just as someone has lost a ton on Bloodlines, thus far. My understanding was that Troika used the engine found in Half-Life2. That means they licensed the game engine ...

Bloodlines, within the RPG community, actually received a lot of hype. A testament to that is the fact that GB was covering it for some months before it's release, of which the coverage included production diaries, interviews and minor previews. Not only that, but the use of the Half Life 2 engine ...

I am speaking as a reviewer.

Anybody can be a reviewer it does not matter if is to your own self or to a open public, it is just an opinion.

People are generally sheep, and decide to be told what to believe, rather than make informed decisions on their own.

The only way anybody makes they own ...

You can also check out the reviews they range from 77 to 92 on different websites so I can not include how detailed the scoring system is (for example one website may rank it as 7.7 and then another website might say 92%, but there are basically all the same kind of scoring system just different ...

[QUOTE=Faust]I'd like to see some sort of new WW game be produced, but from what I've read on this forum about sales figures and Troika's demise, I kind of doubt it will any time soon. And, if it does, it might be an entirely different type of game. Likewise, White Wolf has moved on to "Vampire the ...

[QUOTE=fable]Troika's gone. If a successor's ever going to be made, it will have to be a totally different V:TM style product by a different company. And with two V:TM games that have sold poorly, developers are likely to see future titles as the kiss-of-death (no pun intended).

I'm moving this in ...

[QUOTE=CM]You call that out dated? DAMN!! My PC must be ancient.[/QUOTE]

When I am behind in processor power by about 1.4 GHZ, behind in 3 generations of motherboards, they are already advertising next generations of engines/games/consoles/graphics cards (having 512mb in ddr2), having 1GB ram of ...

You can help the game sell (this is the best way to get a sequel or expansion made) by advertising to your friends, forums and boards you belong to, your family and getting them to do the same.

RPGDot has awarded Bloodlines with Best RPG in their Game of the Year awards for 2004 (voted by the fans of KOTOR, Morrowind, Ultima, Gothic, Dungeon Siege, Arx Fatalis and general all RPG fans who visit RPGDot).

"Bloodlines dripped with a dark, suspenseful atmosphere and featured some of the most ...