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So i want to make a really hard to hit dexterity character (with epic dodge ect) and i want him/her to have self concealment feats
The problem is that in nwn hotu i was able to get self concealment at around level 35 and i didnt even get all 5
So my question is: how is it possible to get self concealment in motb? (btw i know the feats you need and stuff, its just how do you get around the 30 dex and high hide and tumble skills in time?) Also is it possible to get all 5 by level 30? if yes please show me a build that can
Epic Prowess is kinda wasted but you can't take ED or conceal until you have 30 tumble anyways....The only benefit of taking Great DEX instead of EP is that you now can start with 19 dex.
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I don't know if non-epic rogue legels will allow you to take great dex however
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hey thanks for the build. 4 self concealment is great.
if instead of 10 shadow dancer i take 1 shadow dancer and 9 of something else that provides hide and tumble as class skills i dont think that it would interupt the way the feats are to get self concealment 4 right?
shadowdancer provides defensive roll and improved evasion...not sure if that is needed for self concealment. Epic Dodge it would be.
Test this in a char builder before you invest hours into it! I'm not sure you can take great dex at rogue feats 10, 13, 16 etc or self concealment at 19. I know you can take epic feats for 24 and 28 because those are epic rogue levels but I have no idea if you hit rogue 10 and you are level 21 what you will have available.
PS I think Self Concealment 3 with Epic Dodge would be better. My first build is good too with Self Conceal 2 and Epic Dodge and that one is tested and works. Try it with a deep gnome and you will be amazed how hard it is to hit.
Here's another build that gets Pseudo Self concealment: Enjoy
Advantages
- 10 Attacks per round with 10d6 Sneak Attack
- Party Rogue Skillset with some Bard skills too
- Spells
- Defensive Buffs and Epic Dodge
- Epic Precision to Protect Sneak Attack and Feint to Deliver
- Warlock Invocations help Saves and Feint
Disadvantages
- jack of all trades ---> Master of None
- low fortitude save
- low hp
- sucks if sneak attack a no go
Base Attributes
STR 10
DEX 18
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 14
Final Level Distribution
Bard 8
Rogue 16
Arcane Trickster 4
Warlock 2
Skillpoint Distribution
Level 1: Bl 4, Dd 4, Li 4, Lo 4, Ol 4, Se 4, Ta 4, Tu 4, UMD 4, Save 4
Level 2: Bl 1, Co 1, Lo 1, Pe 3, Sp 5, Ta 1
Level 3: Bl 1, Co 5, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 4: Bl 1, Dd 3, Ol 1, Se 3, Tu 2
Level 5: Bl 1, Dd 1, Lo 2, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 3, Tu 1
Level 6: Bl 1, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 4
Level 7: Bl 1, Co 4, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 8: Bl 1, Co 1, Pe 3, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 9: Bl 1, Dd 3, Ol 3, Se 3
Level 10: Bl 1, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 2, Tu 2, UMD 2
Level 11: Bl 1, Dd 1, Li 3, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 12: Bl 1, Dd 1, Li 3, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 13: Bl 1, Co 5, Ta 1, UMD 1
Level 14: Bl 1, Dd 2, Ol 2, Se 2, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 15: Bl 1, Dd 1, Li 2, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1, Tu 2, UMD 1
Level 16: Bl 1, Dd 1, Li 3, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 17: Bl 1, Co 4, Pe 3
Level 18: Bl 1, Dd 2, Ol 2, Se 2, Ta 1, Tu 1, UMD 1
Level 19: Bl 1, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 2, UMD 2, Save 2
Level 20: Bl 1, Co 3, Sp 5, Ta 1
Level 21: Bl 1, Dd 2, Ol 2, Se 2, Ta 1, UMD 2
Level 22: Bl 1, Co 2, Sp 5
Level 23: Bl 1, Dd 2, Ol 2, Se 2, Ta 1, UMD 2
Level 24: Bl 1, Co 2, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1
Level 25: Bl 1, Co 1, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1
Level 26: Bl 1, Co 1, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1, Ta 1
Level 27: Tu 10
Level 28: Bl 1, Ta 3
Level 29: UMD 4
Level 30: Bl 3, Dd 1, Ol 1, Se 1
Right Speech has four aspects: 1. Not lying, but speaking the truth, 2. Avoiding rude and coarse words, but using gentle speech beneficial to the listener, 3. Not slandering, but promoting friendliness and unity, 4. Avoiding frivolous speech, but saying only what is appropriate and beneficial.
before wanting self concealment i was going for a dexterity monk 21/shadowdancer 5/duelist or divine champion 4. i would then get epic dodge and aim for perfect 2 weapon fighting. as for defence i would use empty body which lasts quite a while (50% concealment) and epic dodge. also monk 21 provides alot of nice stuff (immunity to mind affecting stuff, spell resistance ect) so i would be hard to hit physically and mentaly and magically
but after thinking about this build i started thinking that its true i ll be hard to hit but what else am i able to do? damage output is horrible and there is no sneak attack damage.
btw can empty body be dispelled? if you could alter this build it in a way that it has a better damage output and still has empty body and epic dodge im all ears
For a magic rich campaign like the OC the monk will be better. If you have +7 gloves (or kamas) with 15 d6 elemental damage and you PTWF with Greater Flurry on that will be 14 attacks per round. You will roll a 20 most rounds and against low AC monsters you will eat them alive. Plus with the monk/duelist AC + epicdodge/empty body you will be able to tank. An option is take instead of duelist 4: Cleric 1(feint, another feat)Invisible Blade3. That will give you stacking 4 damage bleeding every hit from HIPs (first flurry).
Right Speech has four aspects: 1. Not lying, but speaking the truth, 2. Avoiding rude and coarse words, but using gentle speech beneficial to the listener, 3. Not slandering, but promoting friendliness and unity, 4. Avoiding frivolous speech, but saying only what is appropriate and beneficial.
thx for the advice claudius i think i ll have to make the character a human then since i ll be adding 1 cleric (originally i was going for a wood elf for that extra strength and dexterity) also thx for the build of Pseudo Self-Concealment.
btw does bleeding damage bypass damage reduction? if not can it be bypassed if for example you use adamantine kamas against mages with premonition (damage redution of 30/adamantine)?
adamantium kamas........I am pretty sure DR blocks bleeding (eg perfect self)
also keep in mind you may have 15 d6 elemental damage on your kama. AI is probably not smart enough to cast energy immunity!
PS if you can farm the XP go deep gnome. I think the SR stacks! and you get 5 AC from small stature + 4 DG and also probably more AC from DEX/WIS....go go deep gnome! FTW. Hey I'm thirty but I can still borrow the younger generations haha.
Edit the ecl and % penalty is steep. If you can fit in the feats go IB4 and skip cleric or take 1 Rogue and able learner in some useful skills (thats 1d6 sneak and a truckload of skills just see if you are feat starved or not).
Right Speech has four aspects: 1. Not lying, but speaking the truth, 2. Avoiding rude and coarse words, but using gentle speech beneficial to the listener, 3. Not slandering, but promoting friendliness and unity, 4. Avoiding frivolous speech, but saying only what is appropriate and beneficial.
Right Speech has four aspects: 1. Not lying, but speaking the truth, 2. Avoiding rude and coarse words, but using gentle speech beneficial to the listener, 3. Not slandering, but promoting friendliness and unity, 4. Avoiding frivolous speech, but saying only what is appropriate and beneficial.
latley i ve been thinking about a stealth build with maybe a little self concealment involving blackgaurd to increase bab as well as a little sneak attack.
but i started thinking will aura of despair from the blackgaurd disrupt my stealth? cuz like in pvp if you re sneaking up on someone and suddenly they get a -2 on saves i think its a sign that some one is near...
