Really hate Dark Brotherhood Guild

[SevLives]

Belthan,

I was just trying to illustrate how people can rationalize almost any antisocial behavior as being, if not completely justified, at least "no worse than the next guy".

very true.

Actually, no, I kind of enjoyed the twisted homage to "Ten Little Indians", and reading between the lines of dialog I was able to delude myself into thinking most of them had it coming.

I don't seem to remember that quest.

Just the classic "lawful good" mindset, always doing the honorable thing even when it's not expedient, no sneaking around or ambushing people, that kind of thing.

I would qualify that more as a knight, but everyone has there own opinion.

DarthChef,

I too like to play in that mindset. Thats why I didn't really like the "fake death" quest. You more had to slice your way through the zombies, and be seen by the enforcer. I also usually play a slice-my-targets-to-pieces-then-figure-out-I-got-the-wrong-guy type characters.

[Fljotsdale]

Actually, no, I kind of enjoyed the twisted homage to "Ten Little Indians", and reading between the lines of dialog I was able to delude myself into thinking most of them had it coming.

I don't seem to remember that quest.

That's the one in Skingrad, when you get locked into a house with the oher guests, and have to kill them all without anyone knowing it's you that's doing it.

The Ten Little Indians is taken from the title of an Agatha Christie novel, loosely based on the childrens' rhyme. (Both were originally called Ten Little N****rs, but were changed for obvious reasons)

[SevLives]

Oh. Sorry, didn't pick up on the relation

Don't think Ive ever read Agatha Christie's work.

[Mz_Trixter]

I agree with most who's posted, when I made my way through the DB questline the first time... some of the quests were disturbing enough to make my stomache turn :speech:. Mainly the family execution, the staged assassinations (no matter how elaborate & well written) and the point within the quests near the end which made your character seem more diabloic than originally intended.

Personally, once starting a whole different game than what Im used to - I lean more towards the standard to see what I can get by and finish the game. But also, playing a with less linear restrictions; like what others have written - moral codes tend to kick in some time or another. Thus making some quests seem more difficult in that aspect.

Now, whenever I get the urge to play Oblivion now 'n then, I try to play from most evil to good (Gamebased reasons - ask if you're curious ). However... that doesn't mean Im not going around doing what I want when everything else is finished :mischief:

All in all the game's good but, some parts of the game were indeed mediocre... so I've relied more on the side quests & the more "BAM" filled questlines for most of the entertainment.

[Fljotsdale]

Love your sig, Mz Trixter!

So ok, I'm asking.

[Fljotsdale]

Oh. Sorry, didn't pick up on the relation

Don't think Ive ever read Agatha Christie's work.

Heh! It's not obligatory! If you like detective novels they are quite good - and short - but seem a bit old-fashioned today. I still quite like 'em for an occasional read, but I'm more into fantasy and historical.

[Mz_Trixter]

Love your sig, Mz Trixter!

So ok, I'm asking.

First off, glad you like the sig took me awhile to think of it..

And what I meant about playin Oblivion from evil to good, was that the other factions you're able to join from... say that Holy Knight Crusader xP. If you were to start murdering people after completing that questline.. I found it'll penalize you for it so, to play it w/o much penalty I play DB first, so all the killings done, then TG since they dont kill. FG & so on. Before all of that though, I do train before all that though so that strategy doesn't backfire.

So, that's how I been going about it... hope it helps out if you're playin

[Fljotsdale]

Yeah... but... you get penalised anyway: for every bad action you complete your Reputation automatically goes down; and if you are spotted you suffer legal penalties, too.

Are you saying your Rep suffers more, or goes down faster, if you go from Good to Bad, and that going from Bad to Good means your Rep improves faster? And if so, how does it work?

[Mz_Trixter]

Yeah... but... you get penalised anyway: for every bad action you complete your Reputation automatically goes down; and if you are spotted you suffer legal penalties, too.

Are you saying your Rep suffers more, or goes down faster, if you go from Good to Bad, and that going from Bad to Good means your Rep improves faster? And if so, how does it work?

It seems that plus when working from Good to Bad, you still bide by any Guild rules. Although I'm not 100% sure it's all quest related, it seems that way if your think about it. When starting the Knights of the Nine you're essentially "Purifying" yourself. So starting that faction first, and ending up having to kill off people; you're just 'staining your hands with blood' after proclaiming being a champion of the gods. Then eventually that message comes up "The gods have noticed your heinous acts and you may be punished if you don't change your ways."

With non quest related kills however, I'm sure would get you booted. So I found a way to protect myself from consequences Just a basic Reflect Dmg shield - so they kill themselves by attacking you without you raising your wep :laugh:

So here's how it comes to me... Some deeds in this game not just affect your rep - but after joining certain factions and still if the deed is negative, you may recieve a double whammy in rep and guild repercussions.

*I guess I didn't take into account about witnesses.. that may ultimately cause it.

[Fljotsdale]

Hm. Interesting perspective. Too late to try with my current char - a lowly lvl 4, already involved in Main Quest.

I like to do MQ early so as to get the Sigil stones, for that added boost to protection you can't get from Soul Gems, no matter how high the level of gem (plus, using soul gems for enchantment costs money and Sigils don't!), but to 'do it your way' I'd have to leave MQ 'til later.

Oh, and yeah - reflect damage is a darn good spell! And items enchanted with it are well worth using!

[Mz_Trixter]

Same here, after waiting awhile though, Im thinkin bout make a new character but might have to be in a different thread. I started its planning but I'll have to wait to get back in the mood to continue it it gets to be a headache remakin all of it :speech: Im planning for a Breton mage/assassin but it's still subject to change

[Fljotsdale]

Yeah, Breton is good for a mage role, though High Elves have more inate magica. Breton has protection from magic, though, which more than makes up for it, imo. Are you going for Stealth or Magic based class? Stealth or Magic Sign?

My current char is Wood Elf, Stealth based, Thief Sign, with Sneak, Security, Marksman, as her Major Stealth skills, with Armourer, Acrobatics, and risky Alchemy and Illusion. I never put either in Major skills normally, but I thought I'd chance it for once and see how it goes.

[Mz_Trixter]

Yeah, Breton is good for a mage role, though High Elves have more inate magica. Breton has protection from magic, though, which more than makes up for it, imo. Are you going for Stealth or Magic based class? Stealth or Magic Sign?

My current char is Wood Elf, Stealth based, Thief Sign, with Sneak, Security, Marksman, as her Major Stealth skills, with Armourer, Acrobatics, and risky Alchemy and Illusion. I never put either in Major skills normally, but I thought I'd chance it for once and see how it goes.

I was thinking along the terms of a Breton Thief sign but with a Majority magic class (attacks). But I may have to start a new thread cause I doubt it'll fit here, maybe more extensive. I'll be sure to post it [url="http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion-81/new-but-different-build-harder-104352.html#post1012082"]here[/url] to link it.

[Audiomaster4565]

I've tried to get through this before, a couple of times, and gave up both times. It's just stomach-churning, most of it.

However, I thought I'd give it another chance, and loaded up an old game with a lvl 45 Breton stealth/mage/combat char, who had accidentally killed someone she was trying to protect and thus had the blade of woe in her inventory.

Ok. I made myself play it through to the end. It's appalling. I actually felt physically sick most of the time I was playing it, and it was only iron determination that kept me playing. I'll never play it through again.

Does anyone else find this particular quest-line sickening? Or am I just an old woman?

i guess im really failing to understand which quest you are talking about becuase i've done all dark brother hood quests and they wernt that bad except the one were you're in the churches mosselium trying to wake that guy up (i belive the dead shouldn't have to die again)

[Audiomaster4565]

wow this is wired i actually found the sickening and disturbing feel of the dark brotherhood to be quite well scripted and fun, but then agian i almost always play an evil character because its just so dam fun, well that was my opinion when going into the game, but thats why i liked the dark brotherhood it gave me everything i had hoped for, deception, killing, masercuring, it was more than i hoped for.

call me demented if you will but i found that claustrophobic and shadowy feel to be most entertaining

finally some one who finds my perspective on evil and the cool stuff you get from it.every 0one wants to be good i find no point in. would you rather have people cower from you "hey no lines at the movies"! or crowd around you and cheer when you go shopping. i would most likely end up decapitating all of them becuase... well... i like my space.

[Audiomaster4565]

Strategy games can come pretty close to massacreing eveything you see! :laugh: Not that I have played any of the games you mention. And I agree about GTA! Never played it, but have watched my grandsons play it. I have heard Kotor much praised by someone whose opinion on games I respect.
I much prefer RPGs.

if you do decide to play gta play San adreas and the newer one gta 4 they are addicting. and you get more customization you get houses, cars, how you look i guess its the Simish way of the game and how kids can't own that stuff for them selfs yet. and the funnier way to kill people which appeals to the younger players like my self so that why i favored the db quests becuase I've always liked the assassin quests becuase when i was a kid i liked to pretend i was a ninja or a assassin. and I give sympathy on the sanctification quest and the quest were you have to kill all those zombies in that church basement (let the dead die once.. don't let them suffer another deaf let them find peace) and its a outlet for negative feelings.. well at least i belieive

[fable]

Audiomaster, that's three posts in a row, in a few minutes. Please, just quote text from different posts in one response. Site owner wants it that way. Thanks.

[Audiomaster4565]

Audiomaster, that's three posts in a row, in a few minutes. Please, just quote text from different posts in one response. Site owner wants it that way. Thanks.

ok i am quoting peoples posts thou.. not posting up just new ones ever time.. if that's what you mean.? please clarify

[Tate]

ok i am quoting peoples posts thou.. not posting up just new ones ever time.. if that's what you mean.? please clarify

You can include multiple quotes in one post. It's a bit more work, but it looks nicer than having three posts in a row.

Generally when three posts in a row say the same thing, it is a mistake.

[Audiomaster4565]

You can include multiple quotes in one post. It's a bit more work, but it looks nicer than having three posts in a row.

Generally when three posts in a row say the same thing, it is a mistake.

ok thanx for clarifying