Dominate and Presence during dialog

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:26 pm

Is this possible? What can I do for this?

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:41 pm

Dominate and Dementation only can be used during dialog. To use the first one, you have to be a Ventrue. For the second one you must be a Malkavian (which you should be as this discipline is exclusive to them alone).

Presence does not affect dialog.

Dheu · Post by **Dheu** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:48 pm

I think in Wesp's plus patch for 6.0, Tremere can also use low level domination. In CompMod, you can use presence, domination and dementation, however you can only use presence for gaining companions.

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:34 pm

I mean how can I change the code to obtain discipline like Presence, in particular, and dominate during dialog?
I'd like, for example, to add Presence for the Intimidation or seduction feats. My clan is Brujah.
I can increase stats using Presence but i lose the effect just during dialogs.
What I can do?

Dheu · Post by **Dheu** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:15 pm

I guess your issue is that most of the dialogs happen in Elysium where you can't use your disciplines to increase your stats. The only way to fix that is to go into the dialog files and edit them manually... all 127 of them. reaplce "Domination" with "Presence".

It would be a lot easier to simply cheat and give yourself the stats permanently.

vstats get <discipline> amount

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:32 am

Thanks for your suggestion!!!

I also tried to add "Presence" in feats.txt. Here is an example:

Feat
{
"Name" "Seduction"
"InternalName" "Seduction"
"HelpText" "Measures your character's ability to titillate others into helping you. The Appearance attribute and the Subterfuge ability both contribute to the Seduction feat."
"Disabled" "1"

"MaxValue" "10"
"Base0" "Appearance"
"Base1" "Subterfuge"
"Base2" "Presence"
"PCWeighting" "Normal"
"NPCWeighting" "Normal"
}

Unfortunately this doesn't work properly! Why?

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:17 pm

Ok, I got it! ^_^

In stats.txt under Stat "Presence" add this lines (in black):

Stat
{
"Name" "Presence"
......
......
......

Action
{
"Value" ">0"
"Effect" "Discipline (Presence)"
}

Action
{
"Value" ">1"
"Effect" "Discipline (Presence)"
}

Action
{
"Value" ">2"
"Effect" "Discipline (Presence)"
}

Action
{
"Value" ">3"
"Effect" "Discipline (Presence)"
}

Action
{
"Value" ">4"
"Effect" "Discipline (Presence)"
} }

Then in traiteffects000.txt add this lines:

TraitEffectGroup
{
"InternalName" "Discipline (Presence)"
TraitEffect
{
"Trait" "Intimidate"
"Modifier" "+1"
}
TraitEffect
{
"Trait" "Seduction"
"Modifier" "+1"
}
}

The effect is to add your value in Presence for Intimidate and Seduction! ;-)

Dheu · Post by **Dheu** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:34 pm

Congrats. It is a cool idea and will definitely make presence more usefull.

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:51 pm

Now I'd like to learn how to add dominate during dialog not only for ventrue! (I can't add dots in dominate in feats because I think cominate works some different).
Mabe It's easy but I need some help!

Is there someone who can help?

Dheu · Post by **Dheu** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:31 pm

You can't make "dominate" lines appear for clans without dominate. However, you can edit the dlg files and make different lines appear based on different diciplines.

see:

VTMB Mod Dev Guide

Chapter IV.3

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:14 am

Garrick wrote: The effect is to add your value in Presence for Intimidate and Seduction! ;-)

Cool! I will add this to the plus patch, but only affecting Intimidate, because the description of Presence does not sound too good for Seduction

!

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:42 am

In my opinion Presence in not only for Brujah but also for Toreador (seduction).
My goal is to make a perfect pen&paper vampire.

Look at pen&paper Presence:

Introduction
Presence is a Discipline of supernatural allure and emotional manipulation. It is a fairly common among vampires, especially within the Camarilla, both because of its versatility and because of its subtlety. Many Presence powers can be used upon large groups of people at once and transcend virtually all boundaries of gender, race, religion, class, and supernatural status. Though Presence can be resisted through force of will and by ignoring the user, most do not realize when it is being used upon them.

• Awe [1]: Make your words seem interesting and reasonable to those who hear you
•• (2) [2]
Dread Gaze: Frighten someone with a look
Entrancement: Make someone obsessively want to please you
••• (3) [3]
Compulsion by Attraction:
Entrancement: Make someone obsessively want to please you
•••• Summon [4]: Compel someone to come to you immediately
••••• Majesty [5]: Appear as a figure of absolute power and authority

Maybe I have to add "Persuasion" in addition to "Seduction" and "Intimidate"?

Please Wesp5 can you tell me how to add Dominate during dialog and how to add masquerade violation for a discipline?

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:03 am

Garrick wrote:In my opinion Presence in not only for Brujah but also for Toreador (seduction).

I know, but the in game description does not fit to Seduction at all. I'm still not sure if I should include this sort of Presence.

Maybe I have to add "Persuasion" in addition to "Seduction" and "Intimidate"?

That would make Presence too powerful in my opinion as Persuasion is much more important than Intimidate and Seduction.

Please Wesp5 can you tell me how to add Dominate during dialog and how to add masquerade violation for a discipline?

Masquerade violation for a discipline is probably set in the vdata/system/disciplinetgt_xxx files. Dominate during dialog is only possible with a trick, just look at the dlg files provided with the unofficial patch which did it for Tremere.

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:13 am

Thanks!!!

Maybe you have reason!

What do you think about giving Persuasion and Haggle to Dominate in the same way as Presence with Intimidate (and Seduction)?

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:16 am

Garrick wrote: What do you think about giving Persuasion and Haggle to Dominate in the same way as Presence with Intimidate (and Seduction)?

Nothing. Actually I decided to not use Presence too. First of all with your code I got a permanent Intimidation raise which may be a fixeable issue, but ZylonBane at Planet Vampire argued that you could never know when to activate Presence before a conversation, which is why Dominate and Dementation are handled inside the dialogue itself.

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:47 am

Ok! Anyway you don't need to activate the discipline just because you got a permanent Intimidation raise.

Presence only in combat ? Non sense for me!!!

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:53 pm

Wesp5 wrote: Dominate during dialog is only possible with a trick, just look at the dlg files provided with the unofficial patch which did it for Tremere.

You mean unofficial patch 6.0? Maybe i have to change "Dominate 1 & IsClan(pc,"Ventrue")" in "Dominate 1"? (this doesn't work)

I can't understand the trick!

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:38 am

Garrick wrote: I can't understand the trick!

The trick is to check for "Thaumaturgy 1" instead of "Dominate 1" to see if the player is Tremere. This should work for other disciplines as well...

Garrick · Post by **Garrick** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:04 am

Interensting...

Anyway... I can't understand why Dominate 1 doen't works. It's a discipline for Tremere too, isn't it? Understand the code isn't an easy task...

Wesp5 · Post by **Wesp5** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:13 am

Garrick wrote: Anyway... I can't understand why Dominate 1 doen't works. It's a discipline for Tremere too, isn't it? Understand the code isn't an easy task...

I guess Troika somehow hard-coded Dominate to the Ventrue in the end...