Please, please don't let there be a BGIII.

Cyro · Post by **Cyro** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:05 am

I know, I know, I'm setting myself up to be railled on but I really don't want there to be a BGIII. Throne of Bhaal was intended to be BGIII originally, but time constraints and the fallout between Bioware and Black Isle in terms of Interplay made creating it as a full game near impossible.

Since then, well, things have changed. If BGIII were to be made, it would have to be in the updated graphics engines, gamers would demand nothing less. Yet in terms of systems, the infinity engine is the most enjoyable CRPG engine I've ever played on. To me, it wouldn't be Baldur's Gate without it, and yet I can't imagine a new game made with it.

Second, the story's done. The Bhaalspawn saga's over. It bloody well should remain such. The characters hit levels most GM's wont ever entertain. Even without assending to Godhood, the PC is possibly the most powerful individual alive short of Demon lords and godly avatars, what could possibly rise to challenge him without making the game obscenely OTT? The point of a saga is it's based around certain protagonists, as soon as those protagonists change, the it's a different saga, a different series.

Finally, some things just shouldn't be brought back. Baldur's Gate is an RPG classic, even to a greater extent than Fallout was, it's had it's day and should be left the classic it is. Anyone who aquires the license is looking to make money off it as well, it runs a huge risk of being obtained by people who consider it a fiscal opportunity rather than a labour of love.

So for the love of all that's holy, leave the series to rest in peace.

Swansen · Post by **Swansen** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:38 am

I won't lie, i registered to reply to your post. I played Baldurs Gate I & II on consoles, not on a PC, i had no idea there were even expansions out. That said, i can completely understand where you are coming from, back when i played it was Black Isle, and i am also a little worried to see anyone else run a Baldurs Gate game into production, but Atari said that they would do the series justice and i hope they keep their word on that. Also, something i didn't realize, but the Baldur's Gate PC and console games were REALLY different, so in that sense, i all depends on which path they choose. From what i am understanding, if they go from where Baldur's Gate II Dark Alliance left, everything shoulb be pretty smooth. Lastly, if they update the graphics, but leave the gameplay and mechanics alone, everything should be fine.

goddess_light · Post by **goddess_light** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:02 pm

I agree somewhat I loved the bg2 and good ole' BG but the bhaal spawn saga is done. However I wouldn't mind if TOB and SOA were remade in the way that those oh so holy designers intended. Because from what I have read if it was it would be incredibly good with more quests and more answered questions.

They could make another game from the perspective of another bhaal spawn that might work if it is done right. But the chances of the Infinity engine being used are 12000000 to one even though it is the best engine for gaming I have ever seen. Plus like you said the graphics, honestly even though the old graphics are really low tech...THEY WERE FREAKIN BEAUTIFUL. I loved the designs of the various areas. The underdark and the shuagin city were amazing. In my mind they were much better then todays graphics as they had a delicate artistic beauty as if you could take a screen shot and place it over the fireplace calling it modern art!

But I digress, the saga is over and done with. I their was to be a bgIII then it would have to be done right, and have relatively nothing to do with the bhaalspawn. It could be acceptable to have it like a what happened after TOB depending on the option you chose. Or like I said it is from the perspective of another Bhaal Spawn

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:20 am

I don't want a third game, but I DO want a game with a combat system even half as entertaining as BG2 was. The abundant amount of spells and the way you could use them, all abilties, all the options... Man, it's been so many years and we still learn new things about the game.

Cyro · Post by **Cyro** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:55 pm

Thrifalas wrote:I don't want a third game, but I DO want a game with a combat system even half as entertaining as BG2 was. The abundant amount of spells and the way you could use them, all abilties, all the options... Man, it's been so many years and we still learn new things about the game.

That one I'm with you on.

Daxtreme · Post by **Daxtreme** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:44 pm

I do want a BG3, as BG2 is the best game I ever played, but what I fear is that it wouldn't be as good as the others.

That being said, there's no way the third game would feature the main protagonist from the other 2. At the end, you're just too powerful.

But... the story could be connected with it. Easily.

Anyways... if it is ever made, I will pray for it to become a classic, and a great game that really is at BG2's height in terms of gameplay, story, greatness, and originality.

Biges · Post by **Biges** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:19 pm

Well, that's easy. If you don't like BG3 (in case it will be released), don't buy it

I think the BG world offers many chances to make another good story. But I understand your concern.

galraen · Post by **galraen** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:56 pm

I only stopped by this forum by mistake, I usually skip it as it seems to me to be the most meaningless forum on GB. Saw this thread and had to chime in, because I totally agree with Cyro.

How can there be a BGIII? Throne of Baal was the end of the series, no follow up scope exists, and a 'prequel' seems like a pointless exercise too. Also the BG series was wholy and soley AD&D 2nd Edition, no chance of WotC allowing that to continue, 3/3.5 are virtually dead and buried and 4E looks even less like AD&D than 3E did, as difficult to believe as that is.

The Baldur's Gate series is over, leave it to rest in peace.

Odd Gamer · Post by **Odd Gamer** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:51 pm

What i would like to see is a game with just as good a storyline, the system for the game done up the same, npcs that held there own options, and the rest of the things that made BG so great yet not be the same story but a new one starting a new.

Now that being said while i do not suggest they do this it is possible to have a BG3 in storyline, they would simply have to make it out like your main in I and II chose not to take the power and you main character is unknowingly a descendant of the many romances from the second game that your main character can have or a child from one of the other bhaal spawns entirely and as the power is now dormant the gods now wish for someone to take back the domain that they are fighting over and your character gets put in the middle of it. Again not saying they should do this, actually i rather they didn't, simply pointed out that anyone can come up with a 3min idea way to put a cheesy way of doing something up without much though.

Old_mu · Post by **Old_mu** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:13 pm

Hmmm

I agree lets get off the bhal spawn trip that was black isle, THis is Ataris baby now(i guess) that being said it should be a totally new story with the Good ole favorite features that made it Memorable, hell people still play BG1 and its damn near 5 years old(i think maybe more) Unheard of in computer games these days. personaly Id like to see more Evil quest options. sure the BG saga had self centered remarks and the ability to randomly kill everybody But then your gaming options Dwindeled into nothing. i mean it got to a point where I couldnt enter any town with out being Mobbed. (yes i play vanilla)
so maybe instead of being dispiesd you could be Feared and only the ocasonal billy badass choises to test their metal by defeating you. id also like an option to play a more stealh covert ops spy mission whereas your Rouge must iniltrate in a discuse and use more AD+D skills such as forgery bluff etc See I see it like this If Atari keeps the infinity Engine and the sexy BG2 graphics they could put a lot more DATA of the game on one disk let a lone 5 these days and alomst make a OMRPG sandbox option with any number of quests, adventure,stories (some even written by you, and of corse approved by atari) I think it would be real cool to have My player charcter travel through out farun or hell RAVENLOFT!!! and make a name for himself. or if your the puerest hell i bet Atari would whip up one hell of an original RPG (besides i kind of hated the bahll spawn story, i mean really if i am relly the spawn oif the murrdur god I would of expected my charecter to randomly berserk to feed the need for blood shed)

Berethor · Post by **Berethor** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:15 am

I'd like to see a Baldur's Gate III, but I just don't see how it's possible. The Bhaalspawn Saga is long done, with many of the NPC's closing stories show them as dead(minsc, viconia - romance version etc.), old (player character if he's in a romance), incapacitated(edwin), or other such things. You can't bring them back.

The technology has advanced so far in the last 8 years it's unfathomable. It would be a much prettier game, but it might just take away the epic feel of the originals.

Since the first 2 games started and ended with one continuous story, I just don't see any window to fit a sequel in, nor a prequel. If Atari can pull this off I'll be amazed.

Personally, I think that Mass Effect contains many of BG's elements, so it's kind of a spiritual successor to it in my mind.

Anyways, [/rant]...

Pellinore · Post by **Pellinore** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:42 am

Yes. Let the BG storybook close. I would like to see maybe a Dragonlance Chronicles done on the same engine.....

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:37 pm

Like some of those I don't really want to see a BG3 - the story ended - let it end and move on to another story. The ADnD universe has so many great and different stories to offer those of us who read Forgotten Realms novels and any one of those trilogies that were printed in the last decade would make a basis for any great rpg game. Someone even mentioned playing an rpg based on Dragonlance - i would definitely play that - as it is one of my favorite fantasy series (classic Dragonlance - not the new stuff.)

Now WotC - has brought out the 4e - and I am not sure how many of those here actually bothered to read the players manual and DM guide - but if there was ever a DnD manual that did not look anything like a rpg then this has to be it. I mean 3e was bad (with its character level addition and so many loose rules for character building) but 4e is worse - as all the characters follow one progression table. This has to be the worse yet - no wonder Wotc is doing so bad financially. If I were them I would find some new game makers - who can fix it all - the way they are going - they are going to tank sooner rather than later.

If a new game was ever made and it used either 3e or 4e rules it would be really quite horrible. Yes I know IWD2 uses 3e rules - but there is no expansion to it - no one wants one it seems or no one cares enough about the game to bother with one. 2e rules work best for roleplaying - but I could be really bias towards it but I don't see another game coming out based on 2e anytime soon.

dizzypdx · Post by **dizzypdx** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:31 am

Harpers

The Adventures of Gorion and Saving of the Bhaalspawn.

Rancid Sushi · Post by **Rancid Sushi** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:33 pm

**SPOILERISH FOR TOB**

My idea for a BG3 isn't really a Baldur's Gate game per se, as it would center around the Bhaalspawn PC's child(ren). I'm talking about the outcomes of certain romances at the end of ToB. A Male PC with Aerie produces 2 children. Some one with more imagination than me could build an interesting story around them. Even more interesting is the son that the PC has with Viconia. They apparently go on a crusade against the Drow after Viccy is killed. That actually might make an interesting game. Preferably the father would be killed off early so the story centers around the son's quest for revenge and the moral dilemmas of at what point does justice become revenge and how much it can corrupt a person.

wise grimwald · Post by **wise grimwald** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:03 am

In a sense BG3, BG4, BG5 etc. have already been made.
I refer to the many excellent mods that have been made that add quests to the existing games.
I think that this is the way forward. Mods like the Drizt Saga and the Greyclan episode just add to the existing game without making "a new game". What would be great would be to have similar but even more extensive mods, however someone has to pay for that much development and I can't see it happening.
I hope that I am wrong, but I think that without proper funding we are unlikely to get anything much larger than the mods already mentioned.
The world is a big place, even bigger with the new worldmap, so there is plenty of scope for further adventures.
We have already had official expansions of the games, why not further official expansions that make use of the larger worldmap?

td0100110 · Post by **td0100110** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:49 pm

I would love to see the original series rebuilt with something like an infinity engine 2.0... an engine that looked and felt like the original, but was capable of greater things.
It would still have to be 2d, and it would need to have the same camera views, I would want to have my good old portait bar on the right, and controls and everything exactly how they were before.
But, imagine the Cloakwood areas, or Baldur's Gate and Athkatla with todays technologies behind their designing.

I think that BG doesnt need a sequal, it could just really use some TLC into the 21st century.

Although, i would love to be able to deal in the politics of deity's and archdevil's if their ever was a true sequal to the BG series. And, I dont think it would truly matter whether your character decided to ascend or not... I felt like a god long before the end of ToB.

None of the old NPCS... if you were married, no damn children, your wife/husband is dead. no longer with you or capable of being with you.
Maybe you join up with some of the greatest powers in the realms. I want to feel the gravity of the situation if their ever is a sequal. I mean, surely i pissed off someone pretty powerful during the course of the BG series... Heck... if its going to HAVE to be 4e, Elminsters insane... make him the badguy... I'll kill em. But plx no 4e :/