heart of the oak on a necro

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:18 pm

18 to Dim Vision is a bit silly, as is more then one point in Decrep.

Why do you have a SS, instead of the Homunculus (I assume that you can afford better since you have both an Enigma and HotO)?

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:22 am

If you play fully twinked with traded gear and mules full of highlevel runeword armours, then yes, 18 in Dim Vision is a bit silly. However, if you play the game no-twinked, without trading and for fun instead of for becoming rich and beating Hell in 5 minutes, then no, 18 in DV isn't silly, it's more of a necessity.

=SK= · Post by **=SK=** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:37 am

i was thinking of the Homunculus, but the SS has a really high blocking rate and D. Its made more for melee duels (barbs and such) but I think it helps me out. hmm..... the Hom. wouldnt be such a bad idea, more +skills!!! whats the average blocking rate/defense for one of those anyway? i dont remeber.

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:21 am

[QUOTE=moltovir]18 in DV isn't silly, it's more of a necessity.[/QUOTE]
Even for a poor necro, most would call 18 DV extreme overkill. It isn't even that difficult to find +skill items (not talking about godly +skill items). You don't want too large a radius either, lest you lure too many monsters towards you once it wears off (or those who aren't affected).

[QUOTE==SK=]i was thinking of the Homunculus, but the SS has a really high blocking rate and D. Its made more for melee duels (barbs and such) but I think it helps me out. hmm..... the Hom. wouldnt be such a bad idea, more +skills!!! whats the average blocking rate/defense for one of those anyway? i dont remeber.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall the exact values (don't bother with the defence, on a Necro it will be negligable), though I do remember that you need less DEX for max block with the Homunculus then SS.

=SK= · Post by **=SK=** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:43 am

well i found the averages for a SS and a Homunculus....

SS-
Defense: 148
Chance to Block: 75%
Smite Damage: 12 to 34
Required Strength: 156
Required Level: 73
Indestructible
+35% Faster Block Rate
25% Increased Chance of Blocking
+3 Defense (Based on Character Level)
+30 to Strength
Cold Resist +60%
Lightning Resist +25%
Damage Reduced by 35%
Attacker Takes Lightning Damage of 10

Hom.-
Defense: 199
Chance to Block: 75%
Durability: 20
Required Strength: 58
Required Level: 42
+2 to Curses
+2 to Necromancer Skill Levels
+30% Faster Block Rate
40% Increased Chance of Blocking
+181% Enhanced Defense
+20 to Energy
Regenerate Mana 33%
All Resistances +40
+5 to Mana after each Kill

Im thinking that the Homunculus is a better choice.....now to trade my sojs..

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:21 pm

[QUOTE=Noober]Even for a poor necro, most would call 18 DV extreme overkill. It isn't even that difficult to find +skill items (not talking about godly +skill items). You don't want too large a radius either, lest you lure too many monsters towards you once it wears off (or those who aren't affected).
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The duration increases together with the radius, and most monsters will be death by the time Dim's duration is over. And I've never seen off-screen Dimmed monsters who target me when their Dim wears off. And since when does using Dim attract non-dimmed monsters to your necromancer?

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:26 pm

@SK: The blocking percentage of the stormshield is actually only 67 for a necromancer, not 75.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:21 pm

[QUOTE==SK=]Im thinking that the Homunculus is a better choice.....now to trade my sojs..

[/QUOTE]

I am no necro player and I have hardly played this ladder, but 1. I really think Homunculus is better for you that SS and 2. At the last ladder it was cheap to trade for, and quite easy to find.

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:42 pm

If you're playing a summoner, the best head is actually a +3/3 RS/SM head with the Splendor runeword. +5 to RS/SM? Yes please!

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:59 pm

[QUOTE=moltovir]The duration increases together with the radius, and most monsters will be death by the time Dim's duration is over. And I've never seen off-screen Dimmed monsters who target me when their Dim wears off. And since when does using Dim attract non-dimmed monsters to your necromancer?

[/QUOTE]
:S, must be thinking of Lower Resist.

=SK= · Post by **=SK=** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:03 am

well its official, i traded away the stormshield to a dueling barb (figures) and got enough sojs/charms to get my homunculus. yay!!! I havnt noticed any real significant changes....other than the fact i get more skill points... having lv. 35 skeletons with lv. 35 mastery is...well......not very nice. teleport kills are nasty with the skeletons and my posion skills have a little boost. Its all good... i figured out a way to score cheap (with a summoner) kills by making a tp (tp = town portal for those who didnt know...), hostile him in town and tp, make the person go in the tp (having a host of skeletons already summoned and standing right in the way of the portal) and watch as all the summoned units hit the person at once doing over 100k

you can aslo do this in trading games, tp into a pack of hell monsters and watch them die instantly.....heheh...you can aslo backstab players this way by making a tp and say "hey lets trade here" or "unique items here.." and hostiling them when they go into it, only they find themselves surrounred by summoned monsters that do 2 k each. these are VERY UNDERHANDED tactics and should never be used beacuse blizzard moderators will kick your @$$!!!! and ban your account for 30 days (happened to me)....I dont know why i just ranted about it. anyway.......

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:32 am

Whoa. You must be really proud of yourself now.

=SK= · Post by **=SK=** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:57 pm

that was the past......

Hell, you guys know what battlenet is like! The most unmerciful people on the planet play these games..... they are ecspecially evil in SC, but thats a different story.....

moltovir, what kind of items is your summoner equipped with? Im mostly curious to what kind of wand you have since i dont use wands....

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:39 pm

[QUOTE==SK=]that was the past......

Hell, you guys know what battlenet is like! The most unmerciful people on the planet play these games..... they are ecspecially evil in SC, but thats a different story.....[/QUOTE]

You still have a choice whether you want to take part in that kind of culture or not.

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Wed May 18, 2005 1:26 am

Remind me to kill you if I ever get back to playing (*cough* 1.11 *cough*) =p. I suppose you don't scam people out of items and NK at least.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:16 am

[QUOTE==SK=]Hell, you guys know what battlenet is like! The most unmerciful people on the planet play these games..... they are ecspecially evil in SC, but thats a different story.....[/QUOTE]

SK, I know what people are like at Bnet, and I don't like it - that's why I don't make it worse by joining that culture. I have played D2 since it was released, and do you know what? I have never ever been PK:ed and I have never, ever PK:ed somebody else. If somebody who behaves suspiciously enter an open game I play in, I quit and leave. If some immature kids come and brag about their items or ask me this tiresom "WYG?" or "itz plz, plz, plz", I leave the game. And I would never dream of PK:ing anyone else, especially not on HC. Why would I, what would be the fun of that?

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:58 am

That's why you should never play Hardcore

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EDIT: Wait a second, you have never been PK'd? That is honestly quite amazing! Is it because you are too hard to kill, or because no one has had the chance?

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:05 am

If you don't play HC, then where's the challenge?

btw, I've never been PK'd too

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:06 am

I find it rather frustrating to PvP on hardcore though

. Unless of course you play Ironman games

.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:12 am

[QUOTE=Noober]Wait a second, you have never been PK'd? That is honestly quite amazing! Is it because you are too hard to kill, or because no one has had the chance?[/QUOTE]

It's because I am paranoid and leave the game if I don't like how the other people behave. I had happened that people have tried to PK my sorcs, by they are not easily killed so nobody succeeded yet. When someone try to PK me, I just leave the game.