What Do You Want in KotOR III?

Revan_Reborn225 · Post by **Revan_Reborn225** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:16 pm

there shouldn't be any amnesia in this next one...it's stupid...maybe have a short skit on ur life or sumthing...work it into the story, or make the main character an adolescent who is joining the order...
one thing i have a problem with is that being a gray jedi seems to have no real advantages...shouldn't there be another scale that says that you are perfectly balanced...Kreia was supposed to be very powerful in KOTOR II and she was a gray jedi...in EPIII palpatine says to anakin that one cannot be a truly great leader unless u understand all the aspects of the Force (and I agree with him) there should be sum bonuses to those truly wise players who understand both sides, as well as sum conversation choices that won't disappoint your mentor party member (like in KOTOR II, there are conversations with kreia that will lose influence with her no matter wat u say even tho I wanted to agree with the point she was making)

and in KOTOR I u did have sum responses that were only available if u were a dark sider, but I'm talking about truly falling to the dark side...like in Anakin Skywalker's case, he started on the dark path becuz he wanted to save his wife, and he justified everything he did, but by episode IV he's just plain evil...u start out killing sum1 cuz they'r a menace, then u kill sum1 for money, then u kill sum1 cuz they looked at u funny, then u just kill sum1 cuz they're there...it's a slippery slope and as u fall deeper, the response available shud be darker and darker becuz ur psyche has fallen prey to evil...

u shud also face dark side penalties for being a light sider using dark side powers, becuz using the dark side is a corrupting influence...so if u have light side mastery and u use Force Lightning or sumthin, u shud lose the mastery

Darth BOBO · Post by **Darth BOBO** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:23 pm

i disagree
masteryng its not the easiest thing on earth so losing it just for casting ONE power isint fair

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:28 pm

The Cron Drift is mentioned in KotOR II. There was an academy there that was also destroyed.

And it was Darth Plagus the Wise.

Darth Moudi: that's true, about fighting Sith in the middle of a city, and I agree. There was one--ONE--moment in KotOR II where that was actually programmed in: when you're going to kill the captains on Onderon. I had killed Riiken (I think he was the one who helps you with the Ghent quest) and a Beastrider saw us fighting, and the first time I killed Riiken, the Beastrider ran up demanded to know what I was doing; the second time, the Beastrider actually ran away from the battle (I'm tempted to do that quest again and see what would happen if I let that Captain get into a crowded area before I do the kill). THAT is much more realistic than people just walking along tralala while you duke it out with the enemy, and it should most definitely be present everywhere you go.

KotOR I mentioned that the true Sith were an actual species and the "Sith" got their name from them. Kreia mentions at least once that "Sith" is just an ideology. I'm not sure why I had to say that, but there it is.

This is another lame idea, but it might be more realistic: pay for transport. It's obvious the Ebon Hawk was used to take the Exile to Revan. I don't wanna see it again, and several others don't, either. We can see it later when we join up with the Exile or whatever. But how about for now, we take public transportation. We go to a spaceport, we charter a flight, and we go to whatever planet we can, and we have to pay for it. Once we hook up with the Exile and gain access to the Ebon Hawk (sadly, it's probably inevitable) we can travel wherever we want for free. It seems kinda lame, but it's more realistic than "just happening" to procure your own ship.

Darth BOBO · Post by **Darth BOBO** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:33 pm

My theory is that the sith are a uper-duper-powerfull race that lives on the unknow regions and reven went to kill them.

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:41 pm

I can't imagine that, though. If the "True Sith" are just the aliens and really are so powerful, how come they let the "Sith" dominate them in places like Korriban?

Darth BOBO · Post by **Darth BOBO** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:52 pm

i think the normal sith were servants of the true sith and korriban was a world dominated by the true sith and acupied by normal sith after

Somni · Post by **Somni** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:51 pm

they weren't. history of starwars states that the native intelligent species called the sith were subjugated by the dark jedis or fallen jedis. Although history of starwars doesn't state where the heck the alien sith are from. it doesn't say they lived on korriban so we don't know. Subjugated was included in the passage meaning conquered by the fallen jedis. It's possible that they could be the true sith but I doubt it. if they were conquered by the fallen jedi then where did they go? they probably were killed afterwords being conquered.

Chimaera182- it's true that there was an academy on ossus that was destroyed by the cron incident but the ysanna have been found on ossus even after starwars ep6. they forgot their jedi ways and were trained by ood bnar and the ysanna have natural force abilities. so even in the time of kotor these primitive force sensitives have been living without anyone's notice. it's also true that jedi and sith are both ideology and even a type of religion. the force is like their god and each have their own codes of how they believe they should live and serve. that is why kreia chose to be a no-jedi nor a no-sith because they both were in a way corrupted and were too restricted. remember that kreia was a jedi and a sith and now a grey jedi mentor to the exile. she was trying to show that trusting your instincts was more powerful than abiding to a set of laws and rules. I definitely agree with the transport problem also. the ebon hawk is too common and they should have a more smaller or bigger cargo ship that doesn't look like the millineum falcon. but i think that your character should get the ship after about 3 or 4 planets.

anyways if the true sith lived on korriban there would have been discoveries of large cities left behind. and if the fake sith served them then they would have statues or temples representing their masters and high ministers. the only ruins that were found were that of the sith lords and their tombs and academy.

I think that they should at least add 9 planets instead of 7. and they should use a different method or reason for going to those planets because in kotor 1 you have to find the star maps and in kotor 2 you have to find all the lost jedis. it's pretty stupid. in kotor 3 the planets should have their own specific reason for visiting it and its own plot that leads to the end of the story or game. and they should make your character able to kill or help anyone like in fable. really, if you become a dark jedi wouldn't you want to do a lot of evil by killing civilians not just persuasive talks or threats during conversations?

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:44 pm

[QUOTE=Somni]I think that they should at least add 9 planets instead of 7. and they should use a different method or reason for going to those planets because in kotor 1 you have to find the star maps and in kotor 2 you have to find all the lost jedis. it's pretty stupid. in kotor 3 the planets should have their own specific reason for visiting it and its own plot that leads to the end of the story or game. and they should make your character able to kill or help anyone like in fable. really, if you become a dark jedi wouldn't you want to do a lot of evil by killing civilians not just persuasive talks or threats during conversations?[/QUOTE]

I know I would do that. I'd definitely leave nothing alive on any planet I visit. Of course, you should receive some sort of penalty (aside from just plain ol' dark side points) for doing it.

There were other reasons for visiting the planets in KotOR II. On Nar Shaddaa, it was to find out about the bounty on the Jedi; on Onderon it was the civil war; on Dantooine, you had to help the settlers (or side with the mercs and help them take over). Finding the Jedi kinda felt--at least to me--secondary to everything else. If we do get KotOR III, we'll probably wind up finding we have to go to several planets again to help stabilize the situation; everyone was concerned that if certain planets fell, the Republic would crumble during the next crisis.

I'm thinking the "True Sith" are not the alien species. Remember: in KotOR I, Canderous said that the Sith had retreated into their empire (which existed before Revan became the so-called Dark Lord), but came to the Mandalorians with the opportunity of a lifetime (fighting the Republic). In KotOR II, we learn from Kreia that Revan's faction was not, in fact, actual Sith, they just dabbled in the Sith teachings; she even debated the fact that Revan even "fell" to the dark side. So those following Revan weren't actually Sith, just fallen Jedi. Given that, I imagine the "True Sith" are "actual" Sith, not the aliens but those of the original Sith order. But the idea that they would pose such a threat that the Republic would crumble under them... I hesitate to say it, but it kind of makes me think maybe the Sith are building an ancient version of a Death Star, and were just hoping to weaken the Republic and the Mandalorians and delay them from taking action against the Sith before they could finish it.

penguin_king · Post by **penguin_king** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:12 pm

Hi people a few more ideas here:
Planets:
Coruscant,
Tatooine,
Naboo,
Cloud City,
Kashyyyk
Basically all the planets from the movies.

Characters:
Bastila,
Canderous/Mandalore,
A Plo-Koon type Jedi,
HK-47
T3-M4
Revan (Somehow)
A Gungan (Jar-Jar Binks)

Revan_Reborn225 · Post by **Revan_Reborn225** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:53 pm

[QUOTE=penguin_king]Hi people a few more ideas here:
A Gungan (Jar-Jar Binks)[/QUOTE]

you shud die a terrible death for even suggesting that...now if we cud go to naboo and slaughter gungans...::rubs chin thoughtfully::

Somni · Post by **Somni** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:02 pm

I agree with Chimaera182 that the true sith wouldn't be an alien species.
After all, the last sith alien species was killed by exar kun. they were however, force sensitives. but anyways i believe that the last part of the whole series of kotor, because i don't know how many games obsidian would make, will have something to do with the prophecy and the "chosen one" from the sw movies. maybe the prophecy would be predicted by kreia or a strong jedi and written down. and the part where you said that the true sith is the actual sith is very possible and makes sense. I do hope they don't make anything like an ancient deathstar cause kotor 1 had the star forge and that is enough. i don't think there were or should be any other evil space stations. and anyways this story is between certain parts of sw history. in sw history it never mentions anything about a true sith or the true threat against the republic so this means that if or when our characters destroy or unite the true sith, it was done in such secrecy that it wasn't even recorded in sw history.

twrts · Post by **twrts** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:27 pm

True Sith Theory

I think that the true sith were just a very force sensitive race who never weilded the power of the Force. The Exiled Dark Jedi came to Korriban and enslaved the TS. I think the TS may have learned how to weild the Force's Power to a degree. Enough to escape Korriban as exiles or destroy the Dark Jedi and for some reason they left. For millenia they studied the Force and Now they've come for Revenge on ALL Jedi and to dominate the Republic.

twrts · Post by **twrts** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:37 pm

Thank You For the people who liked my plot

I think if we write enough ideas or keep trying to send our ideas to Lucas Arts we can really make a dent. I haven't heard one I dea I haven't liked on all 16 pages of this thread and I think that we can pull these ideas off if we bother Lucas Arts enough.

I also think that Jolee next to Revan is the Best Character in KOTOR and that he should at least have a cameo in KOTOR 3. I mean c'mon the man knew who Revan was before Revan knew himself. I think the idea of Jolee training your pc in the solitude is great because your pc can do missions on Unknown World involving hunting for food and practicing the use of the Force. Reminds me of Luke and Yoda (that's why I love the idea). Maybe Jolee has a hidden ship and is waiting till the time is right for your character to approach the council (Lvl. 12).

twrts · Post by **twrts** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:45 pm

[QUOTE=Somni]I agree with Chimaera182 that the true sith wouldn't be an alien species.
After all, the last sith alien species was killed by exar kun. they were however, force sensitives. but anyways i believe that the last part of the whole series of kotor, because i don't know how many games obsidian would make, will have something to do with the prophecy and the "chosen one" from the sw movies. maybe the prophecy would be predicted by kreia or a strong jedi and written down. and the part where you said that the true sith is the actual sith is very possible and makes sense. I do hope they don't make anything like an ancient deathstar cause kotor 1 had the star forge and that is enough. i don't think there were or should be any other evil space stations. and anyways this story is between certain parts of sw history. in sw history it never mentions anything about a true sith or the true threat against the republic so this means that if or when our characters destroy or unite the true sith, it was done in such secrecy that it wasn't even recorded in sw history.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry I'm posting these one after another but i work like 16hrs a day and i usually dont have time to be online. The Secrecy part is beautiful. Maybe a faction of the Jedi Order (which of course would be Sentinel Based Jedi) destroyed the TS. Like the CIA of the Star Wars universe thus it was never recorded in Galactic history and is hidden in The Jedi Archives.

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:23 pm

[QUOTE=Revan_Reborn225]you shud die a terrible death for even suggesting that...now if we cud go to naboo and slaughter gungans...::rubs chin thoughtfully::[/QUOTE]

I like the cut of your gibs. lol. Ooh, slaughtering Gungans, that would make the third game worth buying. Make 'em all scream something stupid so each one you kill makes you think you're killing Jar Jar.

Anyway, it doesn't *have* to be a Death Star, it was just a suggestion. But there has to be a reason the Sith retreated into their empire, and that seemed like a reasonable solution (they weren't a threat to the Republic, the Mandalorians and then Revan were). So it's some Death Star thing, or some other kind of all-powerful weapon, the Sith were trying to build in secret while the rest of the galaxy was at war. Maybe that's why Revan "fell" to the dark side; s/he figured that, as a Sith Lord, the Sith Empire would bring Revan in on the scheme they had in mind. But because such was not the case--for reasons we all know--Revan didn't find out what the real Sith were up to.

Superdude · Post by **Superdude** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:35 pm

I'd also like to see one member of your party who is distinctly non-humanoid. With the exceptions of T3 (and G0T0), everyone looks like a human. Two arms, two legs, etc.

How about a living creature (as in, no droid for this) that's maybe reptilian (think maybe a centipede-like creature)?

Somni · Post by **Somni** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:59 pm

Arkania is a planet full of dark side energy. it was also a part of the ancient sith empire. jedi master arca jeth watched after the planet until the great sith war. i also discovered that sith have the power to call upon sith magic to cheat death. several dark lords like sith lord simus secretly cheated death when marka ragnos thought he killed simus.

in the truuine system, a planet named truuine has a jedi training ground. this academy started about 4021 years ago. this could mean that other academies are secretly still active.

remember how atton states that revan breaks the jedi making them or maybe forcing them to turn to the ds. he probably used the Sith Torture Mask which has dark side energy that ruins the chance for a jedi to concentrate on using the force to escape the sith. in fact it's impossible for jedis to use force. it makes perfect sense of how revan was able to turn so many jedi captives. this mask is an artifact.

Chimaera, like you said that there must be something like a sith weapon, the dark reaper is suitable for your theory. ulic-qel-droma created the reaper about 4000 years before sw. history states that it was created during the great sith war which is the war inside the kotor series. although it was never used, or so, thought to be never used. ulic and his fellow sith created it.

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:25 pm

I don't know anything about that. What exactly was the Dark Reaper?

It's entirely possible Revan merely persuaded Jedi to follow him. Malak had to torture Bastila to make her turn, but he had to do it somewhere strong in the dark side. The Jedi under Revan had been changed by the war, shaped by it like Kreia said. But there's got to be more to it, and maybe your idea about that mask is part of it. But I have to wonder if maybe there weren't other Jedi who thought like Revan, when they found out about the 'real' threat. Maybe Revan just had to *show* them something was out there, a true threat to the galaxy itself, and the Jedi willingly followed Revan. After all, war makes bonds, and Kreia said Revan studied bonds extensively. If Revan could influence people through those bonds, it would be relatively easy to corrupt them. But if you ever read the Hand of Thrawn duology, Thrawn didn't need the Force; he simply showed people (such as Baron Fel) that something awful lurked out in the Outer Rim, and it not only convinced Fel but changed him entirely (it was noted at least once, by Mara, that the Fel she met then was very different from the Fel of old). If Revan showed the Jedi that something worse was lurking over the horizon, and they believed him/her, they'd very likely be willing to do whatever Revan thought was necessary to stop it (after all, s/he was a great war hero of the Republic now).

Darth Zenemij · Post by **Darth Zenemij** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:36 pm

@Penguin King, a quel dorma would be awesome.

@C182,Yeah, I see your point on that.

Somni · Post by **Somni** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:01 pm

yeah that's true.
anyways the dark reaper was discovered by count dooku. darth sidious wanted dooku to activate it. it is a black saucer like small ship only that it isn't a ship and it spins and releases huge amounts of dark side energy and power. it's a sith weapon. republic forces found out about dooku activating it after the battle of geonosis. on the planet thule, the spirit of ulic qel-droma appeared to anakin and guided ani to destroying the reaper. it could only be destroyed by harnessing the reaper's own power without being corrupted by it. ani destroyed it. if it wasn't it would have a huge unstoppable threat to the galaxy.

i have questions to anyone: did revan knew the real threat when he was the dark lord of the sith or did he find out after he destroyed the star forge?
I wonder what was it that lead him to believe or showed him what the real threat was after kotor 1.
I also wonder how at the end of kotor 2 kreia expected the exile to somehow find revan and help him against the threat cause kreia seemed to know what it is. why did kreia want the exile to kill her? and is it possible that the jedi council never spoke of kreia due to the reason that the council knew kreia had info that was about revan or the real threat or maybe info that the jedi teachings were corrupted?
i'm pretty sure the jedi council were afraid of revealing, if they knew, that there teachings were corrupted. they probably assumed that if they did release this info it might cause a division of jedis or possibly a civil battle.
i need those answers.