Revan & Malak Sith Babies

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:58 am

This is my idea for Kotor III. Lets say Revan was a woman like it is hinted in Kotor II. Lets say Revan and Malak had a romance at one time and had kids. Twins infact.

These kids after Malaks death were raised by what remained of the Sith. Fed lies about what had happened to the Sith Lords Revan and Malak. They tell them that Bastilla killed both Revan & Malak. Saying nothing of Revan's crusade for the light.

These lies make these Twins angry and want revenge on Bastilla for what they think she had done. When the twins are of age 15-18 they then want to pay bastilla back. A small group of sith and them attack a ship flying to the outer rim on a good will mission that has Bastilla aboard. They then board and locate Bastilla and kill her. On her death bed she tells them of Revan that she is not dead. And tells them to track down a Republic Commander called Carth Onasi.

After hearing this they realize the Sith lies and leave the sith. They then fly a ship to Telos in search of Carth. They eventually do and he tells them he is not entirely sure where Revan is but he has some idea of how to find out. He then tells them that they need to recover the Ebon Hawk and locate the Crew which helped Revan defeat Darth Malak. The owner of the Ebon Hawk is on Dantoonie at the newly rebuilt academy there. After he has done so to meet him on at the location he last saw Revan.

They travel to Dantoonie and (Main Character from Kotor II) tells them that if they wish do find Revan he wishes to help. Now they just have to locate the old crew of the Ebon Hawk. Mission, Zaalbar, Canderous(Mandalore) and Jolee. Juhanni, Hk-47 & T3 M4 would already be at the academy. Each crew member would take you to different planets from Kotor I & II. Mission would be on Nar Shadaa. Zaalbar where else but Kashyyk. Canderous of course Dxun. Now Jolee he's tricky where would an old senior sick of the forest go for retirement. I guess Manaan which was devastated by the Jedi Civil War.

Once you find all the crew you them meet Carth. He think he's figured out where Revan may be. You then do so. You then have to go through a few battles. And finally you find her. Its a happy reunion. She than reviels what brought her out to where she is. A living Sith. Not just a any sith but a member of the Sith Race.

You then fight this creature or for darkside I guess you join the beast. In doing so you then have to kill the entire crew that brought you took out here.

Once you kill this beast (for LS) you than go back to the location of where the star Forge once was and you and Revan talk to Malak and he explains why he never told Revan of her kids when he revieled to her who she really was when she had amnesia. If you join the beast (For DS) you than take over the entire galaxy.

This may not appeal that much because than it is locking in the fact that Revan was a girl. It also requires you choose a name for the Main from Kotor II. But other than that it wouldnt be bad in my mind.

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:00 am

Events of Kotor I

I forgot to mention that this would be Revan Choosing the light side and destroying the Star Forge. Rather than her choosing the dark side and using it to control the galaxy.

ArmedandDangero · Post by **ArmedandDangero** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:16 am

Whos bastilla?I havent played KotOR 1 but I just finished KotOR 2 yesterday.

Obi-Wan-Evan · Post by **Obi-Wan-Evan** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:41 pm

[QUOTE=ArmedandDangero]Whos bastilla?I havent played KotOR 1 but I just finished KotOR 2 yesterday.[/QUOTE]

Shes a Jedi you have to rescue and later she joins your party, she has a power ( Battle meditation) that helps the republics war efforts. BTW If you finished Kotor 2 then I highly reccomend playing the first one, as it is one of the best RPG's and it will make Kotor 2 make much more sense and more enjoyable.

Malak · Post by **Malak** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:48 pm

theres a big problem with this though.

KOTOR 2 only describes Revan as a woman if you chose that option in your first conversation with Atton. In this convo, you specify Revan's gender and alignment. If Revan is male in Kotor 2, then your whole story line is impossible. KOTOR 2 was purposely left open as far as revans gender and alignment to avoid continuity errors such as this.

in my opinion, in a new game i would rather see mostly new charcters and new worlds. if im just going to be seeing the same characters and planets that i have seen in previous games, im probably not going to be that inclined to shell out $50 for the game.

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:07 pm

Ya I figured

Ya I figured that locking in the genders wouldnt ever go. I honestly think it would be good. It would strike a blow against sexism. It would support my plot but oh well I guess people wouldnt want to hear the guy they helped destroy Malak never even existed and that they wasted $50 if they dont like playing as a girl.

How bout this at the start of the game you chose wether Revin was a guy or a girl. If you choose girl than Revan's the mother. And if you choose guy than the twins are Revan's clones and they had been lied to by the Sith into thinking Revan was infact their Mother.

The only other thing ive got is if Revan is a male is that they are the kids of Revan being impregnated with Malaks gene's. Of Course I realize this would be too far fetched. And would probally would cause a huge amount of contiversy.

The only other thing I could think of is adding a couple planets. And having it so that they dont know which world the crew of Kotor is. So than they have to explore each planet until they've found each. Also have on some of the world's people that could join your crew.

It would also be great if they kept the swoop biking the same but added a new mini game. Creature riding. You buy a mount and than race em against other riders. Acceptable mounts could be Bantha's & Dewback's. And than after you buy them you can ride them around outside the game. You just would have dismount before you could fight anyone. The only other thing is maybe making it so the beasts take up a NPC spot but would have wicked attack power & health. So than you would be gaining something. Also he can attack while your mounted just you cannot. Any damage taken by your opponent would express only his attack.

Thats all I got if you have anymore compaints i'd be happy change a couple things but its not like it would ever be the real plot. The designers probally wouldnt look through GameBanshee's forums looking for idea's for a script.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:24 pm

Sith Clones ... I think that sounds great. Why not create clones of the greatest jedi? -and then genetically alter them so they are stronger, faster, and have more of that midi-chlorian stuff in 'em? Then just raise them to the Dark side? Seriously, work on that one George Lucus!

Eh... But more to the threads subject... I don't think Malak would've tried to kill Revan in the first game if they were lovers or if he impregnated her. Even if he was evil, I still don't think he-him-Malak would've done that. Now evil Revan might do something like that, but then again Revan wouldn't have ever saw Malak as a threat, so really no Revan never would've done that either.

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:46 pm

How bout this

Lets say that we go with the impregnation thing. Lets say Revan instead of raising them himself might have sent him off. Really how it would be to big of a risk because a) if her/his minions knew he/she was weak then they would have attacked on sight. You might say that love is not a weakness but it still means that you are not strong enough to rely on yourself. Lets say they had these kids before they discovered the star forge. and b) who needs the risk of your kid being killed. If someone ever managed to get close enough to revan to kill him they may kill his/her kid on the way to revan.

You might say that sith probally would think themselves strong enough to defend themselves against a) there minions and b) any attack but I think point A in the above paragraph probally would be a big reason.

Now a reason why malak might attack revan even though they had had a romance. There are two options:

1. Revan sent the babies away without telling malak where. Or maybe on the tells Malak that on the way to where ever they were killed by a republic attack. Malak could take the news badly and blame Revan for wanting to send them away and then plot to kill him/her. Now I do not have an explanation to why Revan may tell Malak why they were killed but might work.

2. Revan decides to keep his/her babies close to her. Malak may either think her weak and attack her fulfilling the Sith code. Dispite the romance between them I dont think malak would forget the code. And as well maybe malak realizes point B in the first paragraph. Realizing it he may want to take the babies away from Revan and at the same time surpass Revan as master. Now once he has his babies sends the kids off to live till they come age for one of them to become his apprentice.

I think option 2 is more likely personally.

Jedi Thomas · Post by **Jedi Thomas** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:08 pm

Another thought about the twins creation

Another thought about the twins creation could be that Malak and Revan created them to be the perfect Sith. A pure outlit for the Force.

This could be possible since they would have full access to the full fury of the Dark Side.

darth poo · Post by **darth poo** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:44 pm

jedi, that is very interesting, you're plot. you should write you're own style of kotor.

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:48 pm

kool

Does this story take place after kotor 2 , because u said they go talk to malak, malak would be dead wouldnt he and the star forge destroyed? and this would only work Ls because carth has to be alive, also if ther twins, who would be the main character, unless u have both of them out at the same time wich would mean either 2 main charac n 1 npc or like they change it so u can take more then 3. and yeh the set bakcs r being a Female only, if u wer a guy bastila would be the logical choice to have babies with bastila, yeh so the idea is kool, just would be relly hard to do and probly not as fun,

-- also im no expert with the forums, but shouldnt this idea go in kotor2 storylines thread?

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:54 am

Just out of interest, have you played KOTOR2?

You tell a nice story, but an entirely flawed one. Just about every character you mention has the possiblity of being dead in the first game.

"Fed lies"? In KOTOR2, one of the best features IMO was the idea that it was never dictated who was "right" or "wrong", it was up to you to decide (e.g. if Czerka or the Ithorians were doing the irght thing). Obviously, it was pretty clear who was light and who was dark, but still.

The whole "Revan's child" thing was mentioned in the storylines thread, I think, some time back. It had some mileage, but people seem too determined to presuppose how people have played the games before.

Locking in the genders might well strike against sexism, but it would also completely destroy the idea of an "open-ended RPG". Essentially, your idea works for a FPS linear narrative, but not KOTOR.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:05 am

i think its a cool idea that revan had kids. but see i have two problems: 1) in wookieepedia, it says that Lucas Arts made the "right" story with a male revan. im not saying that you cant ever play a female revan, thats just what i read. im inclined to agree. (it also said that the "right" version of K2 was with a lady exile) 2) if revan *was* a woman, i think shed be smart enough or maybe have no ambition to ever have the jawless wonder as a lover. i just cant see a ruthless Sith Lord with a boyfriend. espessially with another sith lord you know?

but i really like this revan having kids raised as sith idea. maybe s/he had a lover before s/he turned to the dark side? maybe revan (as a woman) got pregnant or maybe revans lover got PG. then the sith found the little ankle-biter and decided, "Hey, this kid has essence of the most powerful force user in the galaxy. perfect dark side conduit!" the sith pull a sidious and raise the kids *within* the dark side. like Darth Maul.

when they get older, they get pissed that their father (revan as male) forgot their mother, abondoning her and the twins, then went out and hooked up w/ bastila. so they want to kill you *and* her. and if youre the female version of revan, the kids get pissed because they think that you abondoned them. so they want to kill you and the people around you.

i think itd also be cool if you could play both chars. Like in Halo 2 you play as the Master Cheif then when you complete what your suposed to, you play as an alien. so maybe, playing as Rev, after you complete a certain points of the game, you switch over and play as the kid(s). then you just go back and forth like that.

i have no idea how you would incorperate dark side/light side into all this. any ideas?

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:26 am

I'm not so sure myself. A storyline like that does make the game quite linear though. Implementing the light/dark side system on all of the playable characters will become a hassel to the developers. It's much preferable that the light/dark side aspect be implemented on one of the characters rather than all of them, though. Also, I'm not sure that Jedi Thomas' plotline would be a good idea for KOTOR 3. Doesn't sound very suitable for a sequel, in my opinion.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:01 am

yea but its still fun to think about. I mean if they arnt gonna make a III kotor then we all have to make one for ourselves right? its all part of the fun i think.

Chanak · Post by **Chanak** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:47 am

Thread closed. This one was dormant for over a year - since that time, other threads have been created which cover similar topics of discussion. If anyone wishes to conduct a storyline discussion in this vein, please do so in the appropriate thread currently in use.