Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:12 pm

dutch is right. the twist in kotor I was unforseen, really awesome. kotor II had nuthin on the 1st one simply because of that twist. if u ask me, w/o some other twist to keep our interest the next kotor will have even lower ratings than kotor II because after the 1st one fans have set their expectations high.

the kotor series is special because it is not based off the movies, like episode III, and this is the reason i play kotor. nevertheless, it has a great cinematic feel to it, another plus. now, if u just go and get rid of the characters we all know n love or have the story go around them w/o incorporating them, then bioware/obsidian can kiss that game of the year title for kotor III goodbye.

and lets just face it...its just too dang complicated to have revan or the exile as playable characters. male/female, ls/ds, blah blah blah...kotor favors the canonical ls male revan, so they will probably leave him as that (although i think itd be awesome if revan were female

). and when he arrives, we'll know that theres probably no more kotors to be made. then, they can start a whole new series!

bastila is also a case in herself...what happened to her? they dont talk about her in kotor II much at all except that she eventually chose to follow revan (and also they somehow lead me to believe that she fell to the dark side, but this wouldnt make sense if the canonical story follows the ls...) welp, shes gotta pop up eventually, too. perhaps she is creating a new accademy for jedi herself *shrugs*

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:32 pm

[QUOTE=Klipsch_V]There were pleanty of twist in the original Star Wars movies. You find out that Darth Vader is Lukes Father. You find out that Leia is Lukes sister. Han get Frozen in carbinite. Darth Vader is the one who kills the Emperor. And there are many smaller but still important dramatic twists in the movies. But again, you can't compare the movies to the game, it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
But the only one of *those* twists that made people go, "Wow," was finding out Vader was Luke's father. That's how it was with finding out you were Revan. None of those other things that happened in the movies was a big, powerful revelation that would make you so completely stunned. They can't possibly compare. As such, out of the three original movies, there's really only that one, big twist.

And the thing is that we can't expect some big revelation to be in every single game. Odds are there won't even be one in the third game, if it gets made. Having some dramatic twist isn't what made a lot of movies or games or books great, it just depends on them having a really good storyline, good acting, and all that other stuff. Every single book/movie/game doesn't need some great revelation to make them great, but a lot of people here seem to think that that's exactly what is necessary to make III good. There are other ways to judge something as good, and it doesn't require one specific instance that makes you speechless.

Dutch_Chaos · Post by **Dutch_Chaos** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:28 am

ok then, no offense, burt give me an example...

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:29 pm

Are you looking bookwise? Gamewise? Bookwise, Ive read dozens of series that have had one great twist. Then there are no others, but the book draws tyou in so much you feel as if you are a part of it. Ever read the sword of truth series?

The third deosnt need the dramatic twist. If they6 make the quests amazing and the acting creative, it will far out do what just a simple plot twist can do. Most of the time I find acting and the game quality goes down every single time there are twists. the creators end up spending more time trying to follow all these twists that could go tooo many directions. Id rather have one, strong, powerful plot line that makes the game stand out, dont you?

I must admit though, they did do a good job on the first one...

TheOne3 · Post by **TheOne3** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:46 pm

lets see...

alright im now im not sure about the rest of you but after bastilla kissed me she wouldnt talk to me like no more questions i mean there were the usual "do yo know anything about this place?" sorta thing but that dont matter either way we got bastilla to kiss revan right? i played as a girl once and i didnt get crth to kiss me which i really dont mind lol but im nt sure if he kisses anyways either way id like to see bastilla revan carth jolee mandalore(canderous) visas brianna (handmaiden) and mira if you didnt kill her back or i at least want to talk to the people form kotor I like all of em and i want all the peolpe from kotor II back with me xept kreia of course but yeah i want bastilla and revan to be in my party or i want to play revan as the mc (main- charachter) but like i think revan and bastilla got not neccasarily exiled because of their relationship but coudlnt be in the order anymore because of it ya know what im sayin and i think they should take time on the 3rd one lots of it to take care of alot of things yeah anyways i think revan like left bastilla cuz he loved her too much or whatever they say on the second one he left them behind cuz he cared or whatever anyways i think he left her but still loved her and now hes coming back for her and the new exile as some of you call it finds him and a little later when you find bastill athey reunite their love or something yeah anyways the point is i want to have a relationship with bastilla as revan ya know yeah it may nopt have made sense any of what i said but if you got questions ask

darth leano · Post by **darth leano** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:24 pm

idea

hows this for a plan

you're malak, in a kind of darth plauigeous (spelling) defeating death kind of way in which he finds a new body ( your player ) but in the proccess unexpectidly looses his memory, your player tries to recollect and leads up to meeting with bastilla, carth and revan to fight or join your party dependent on alaignments (spelling)

or heres a weird idea, why not yoda or sum1 like that leading to a link between kotor and episode 1

Darth Trahus · Post by **Darth Trahus** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:44 pm

[QUOTE=yoyopogo104]
bastila is also a case in herself...what happened to her? they dont talk about her in kotor II much at all except that she eventually chose to follow revan (and also they somehow lead me to believe that she fell to the dark side, but this wouldnt make sense if the canonical story follows the ls...) welp, shes gotta pop up eventually, too. perhaps she is creating a new accademy for jedi herself *shrugs*[/QUOTE]

And did she come back to life, she might have been killed, you had that option, remember?

darth leano · Post by **darth leano** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:51 am

leano

shes not dead, u see that hologram of her on korriban, which makes you think shes a sith, i think it depends on what you chose revan as, because in kotor I you have different choices for bastilla at the temple on unknown planet, if revan ( your player ) was dark side she followed him if not, she was killed by him

Klipsch_V · Post by **Klipsch_V** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:01 am

*SPOILER* You don't kill Bastila on the Unknown Plantet. If you choose to fight her, you and she fight until you die and have to start over, or she is around 4/5 of the way down on vitality and she flees in the ship that is behind her. On the star Forge you will see her again and there you can choose to join her if you forgot to on the Unknown Planet, save her, or kill her.

And it does differ from what you choose Reven as, Light or Dark side, male or felmale.

Darth Trahus · Post by **Darth Trahus** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:20 am

That hologram was a test to understand your personnality. Bastila did not join the Sith, well at first. The reason they won't make an important scene with her in it is because she may be dead. They probably will not bring her back because of the choice. This is why she was not "alive" in Kotor 2, just a hologram.
Revan can be back. Just put him in the mask and robe and the gender is fixed.

TheOne3 · Post by **TheOne3** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:57 am

[QUOTE=Darth Trahus]That hologram was a test to understand your personnality. Bastila did not join the Sith, well at first. The reason they won't make an important scene with her in it is because she may be dead. They probably will not bring her back because of the choice. This is why she was not "alive" in Kotor 2, just a hologram.
Revan can be back. Just put him in the mask and robe and the gender is fixed.[/QUOTE]

dude she was alive in kotor 2 i dont remember which level but its with carth and she comes and speaks with him its like a litlle movie on if i knew or something like that so i think shes alive but i may be wrong

Klipsch_V · Post by **Klipsch_V** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:52 am

dude she was alive in kotor 2 i dont remember which level but its with carth and she comes and speaks with him its like a litlle movie on if i knew or something like that so i think shes alive but i may be wrong

Thats only if you choose Reven as light side in the beggining of the game. If you choose Reven as dark side, you only see bastila in holograms.

Revan12200 · Post by **Revan12200** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:51 am

This is how I think KOTOR III should turn out. I tried to include Bastila and Revan:
At the beginning of the KOTOR 3 it turns out that Revan used the force to turn himself into the exile and in turn the exile turned into you. So the only way to unite yourself with the exile and Revan is to find all those they have travelled with.
P.S. I would have it so you could play on after the credits. (Like in fable)

jedi · Post by **jedi** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:40 pm

I think Revan should be the main character along with Bastila but the romance should be more then before and other characters as well.

Elias De vere · Post by **Elias De vere** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:54 pm

I roughly agree with all those thoughts, but im just wondering how old are Revan and Bastilla? i mean they all must be pretty old by the hopefully 3rd game, at least in their 40's? i reckon, KOTOR 3 should involve them and have you already as a powerful jedi, but then you lose your powers, and find the 2 jedi on a mysterious planet far from anywhere, and discover whats been going on and who you really are. OR they're all dead!

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:14 pm

[QUOTE=jedi]I think Revan should be the main character along with Bastila but the romance should be more then before and other characters as well.[/QUOTE]

dude, carth was 38 in kotor I. by the end of kotor II he's 43.

he'll be super old! and if bastila was so young in the 1st game, just think...revan (m/f) could have romanced w/ a 38-yr-old or some1 in their 20's...ick. what a range...if carth and bastila come back, i dont really think a romance would be the way to go *cringes at the thought of playing a female revan and romancing a close to 50-yr old guy*

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:21 am

[QUOTE=yoyopogo104]dude, carth was 38 in kotor I. by the end of kotor II he's 43.

he'll be super old! and if bastila was so young in the 1st game, just think...revan (m/f) could have romanced w/ a 38-yr-old or some1 in their 20's...ick. what a range...if carth and bastila come back, i dont really think a romance would be the way to go *cringes at the thought of playing a female revan and romancing a close to 50-yr old guy*[/QUOTE]

Someone want to take that down and read it back one hundred times to Yoyopogo when they're 50?

Chanak · Post by **Chanak** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:45 pm

[QUOTE=yoyopogo104]dude, carth was 38 in kotor I. by the end of kotor II he's 43.

he'll be super old![/QUOTE]

LOL!

@fable: Come on now, have some sympathy. 40 is old when you're not even half way there yet.

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:59 pm

[QUOTE=fable]Someone want to take that down and read it back one hundred times to Yoyopogo when they're 50?

[/QUOTE]

hahaha! *rolls on ground dying of laughter* sry, that was funny. i keep forgetting about all the OTs on gamebanshee. no stabs at u guys intended

...but really, why would revan want to romance someone at that age, unless she was around that age, too (like 5 yrs younger or less)? hey, if they announce that revan's up there in the years, too, and carth is still good lookin

im all for a romance, even if i am less than half way being 40

(wait, that still sounds creepy. dangit. i just cant win!)

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:19 am

It's cultural. In some cultures, it's relatively common for an older man to marry a young woman: differences of 30 years are not uncommon: Bedouin communiities are like this, for example, and also allow for multiple wives to one husband. The opposite has also been seen, though not as often. Differences of 10 years of age between a couple are quite common even in our own culture, but no one usually notices because the couple's physical appearance is often quite similar. And really, if the couple doesn't care, why should it be anybody else's business?

What are the attractions for doing so? In cultures where there's a great difference in age, physical appearance is usually considered less important than any one or more of several other factors, such as maturity, or material wealth, or sexual performance/knowledge, or prestige, or security. Stop thinking as though modern American commercial culture rules the world, or has ruled it forever.

Read the great literature of other peoples and times, and also books about what they were like/are. And get out there, and travel internationally! It's a broadening experience, if you do it correctly and not just to shop in big cities. But I am going far afield, into something that should be in SYM...

Back to topic. I haven't read a single SW book, nor am I likely to do so, but if the writers hired by Lucasarts don't discuss a few of the various cultures they depict on different planets at some points, I'd be very surprised. If they haven't done so, look for the works of such fantasy writers as Vance or de Camp, who often wrote with a real interest in the customs of differing cultures. As drawn in the game, Carth is pretty callow, but if he were smarter or more charismatic, it's possible Bastila might be drawn to him--and vice versa.