yuzhong vong in kotor 3?

kell · Post by **kell** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:04 am

yuuzhan vong in kotor 3?

Just a speculation here, but what if the mysterious threat revan went off to fight is the yuuzhan vong? There is enough to suggest this as a possibility. The true sith krea mentioned were in fact the ones you fought in kotor 2, the threat revan went off to fight is something no one knows about, if you followed his stories far enough in kotor 1 canderous tells you of his encounter with a yuuzhan vong (he doesnt use the name but the description is pretty obvious) and it would certainly explain why revan (as a sith lord) thought it was neccesary to build a huge army and fleet. Now what this would imply for gameplay would be interesting. If the vong are the primary enemy in kotor 3 then force powers would be largely inefective against them making jedi characers not as powerfull (relatively) as in the first two games. Personally I would love to see the vong in kotor 3 even if you dont see a lot of them it would still be great. But sadly kotor 2 seemed to indicate a disproportionally large amount of time would center around the mysterious hk-50 droids (but that is a discussion for another thread).

Suicide Girl · Post by **Suicide Girl** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:44 am

Awesome!

This certainly sounds like an intriguing concept. As a matter of fact, it really does make sense - Revan, whether good or evil, would probably not want these guys around, and they're definitely formidable opponents.

I can't really contribute much to this thread, but I wholeheartedly agree with kell. The Vong would fit in perfectly, not to mention how interesting things would be if you actually got to fight them in KotOR III. Now there's a challenge! Maybe they should be the 'main bad guys'. Ok, now I'm ranting.

Mentioning the Vong in any way in KotOR III sounds great.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:39 am

It would be really cool, but kell, if you talked through with Kreia, she tells you why revan left, to go and find the old sith empire, the true sith empire, and defeat/hinder it. The sith you fought in KOTOR II were beings of malachor, the echo you created with all of those deaths, hurt beings other than your self, Nihilus one who also forms connections easily, uses those connections to drain the force from others to fill his own hunger, sion, is broken like malachor but neither are dead.

Darth Moudi · Post by **Darth Moudi** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:43 pm

Im not sure Im following here. Though I havent played either of the 2 KOTOR's in a while. So I may sound stupid but I have questions you were talking about.
1) What Are the Vongs?
2) What do you mean that your character fought the 'True Sith' already in the game?
3) What makes the Vongs so strong that powers wouldnt be very usefull?
4) Hk-47 and his back story are in the new Star Wars Galaxies Trials of Obi-Wan.(oops not a question)

And another thing since I havent kept up to date lately is there anything on #3 yet?

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:56 pm

In response to the last, [url="http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66175"]this thread[/url] has all the newest rumours. I have not heard of the Vong either, but if that is what Canderous described when he was talking about the mysterious enemy, then it does sound interesting...

Vongs so powerful that force abilities would not hurt them? Where did it say that? I must have missed something, but I think that some species are just more immune to the effects of the force.

Encountered the true sith? No, they have not. Where did you think Revan went... well, no one actually knows that for sure, except the developers... if there are any. So far, I have heard two things; The sith is not a species, it is a belief; and the Sith are a species responsible for the destruction of Ossus through the transference of being into other life forms, after they were destroyed from forces from Onderon.

Of course, my knowledge is kind of lashed together from games, so it could be wrong...

Kagitaar · Post by **Kagitaar** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:24 pm

The Vong

The yuhhong vong are from the latest books chronologically in the Star Wars universe. They are kind of like the zerg in that all there stuff including ships are biological. The reason they would be a challenge is that they are immune to the Force. So they would be really hard to fight.

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:34 pm

okay, here's what wikipedia has got to say about the vong. note: this is only a fraction of the article...(wikipedia may not be that reliable, though, but im usin it neways...

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"The Yuuzhan Vong, and their Chazrach slaves, are the only known alien species in the Star Wars universe to have originated outside the Star Wars galaxy. They are a race of religious zealot masochists. They genetically engineer and grow all of their organic technology and view mechanical technology as blasphemy. The Yuuzhan Vong endeavor to improve their physical capabilities through organ grafting. Notably, the Yuuzhan Vong are not able to touch the Force or be felt through it, something the Jedi have found very mysterious, since all living things are supposed to have, in some way or another, a unique Force energy signature distinct from other species...their homeworld stripped them of the ability to touch the Force. "

i think force powers would be able to hurt them, unless they came up w/ some organic implants that shield them from such things, but one cannot use the force to sense them.

this idea of the vong being the true sith is interesting.

imagine having to fight starships that look like asteroids. theyd have a definate advantage in space battle, especially if they were somewhere like peragus. plus, they are from an unknown galaxy...kell's idea could definately work, considering that sith is a belief, not just a group of people. although it would be kinda wierd fighting sith that cant wield the force.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:03 pm

Ah, thanks Kagitaar (hope you stay awhile, welcome to GameBanshee!) and Yoyo.

I had absolutely no idea wht these beings were at all.

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:17 pm

Here is some more info, Grand Spam

http://www.starwars.com/databank/specie ... index.html

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:44 am

Since the article about Yuuzhan Vong at StarWars.com is not updated after book 10 (out of 19 book series) [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong"]here[/url] is complete article from Wikipedia mentioned by yoyopogo104.

Take particular note at final section "The number of deaths over the known galaxy that resulted from the invasion was estimated at about 365 trillion sentients. That would be equal to 61,000 Earth-type worlds with a population of 6 billion each." to find out how fearsome opponents are they.

Also from Wikipedia [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong_technology"]here[/url] is the list of all known Yuuzhan Vong equipment.

And yoyo the Yuuzhan Vong ability not to be affected by the Force is complete. Like you said in your post that is result from being severed from the Force by Yuuzhan'thar (their homeworld, which was sentient being) in much the same way that Nomi Sunrider severed Ulic Cay-Droma's connection to the force following the Sith Wars that happened some 40 years before KotoR.

kell · Post by **kell** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:18 am

more info on the yuuzhan vong

Phreddie, I never did talk all the way through with kreia in kotor2. Although I found her mildly interesting she was always more annoying than anything else to me. So you may be right on your point about the true sith.
Now here is some more info on the yuuzhan vong to help clear up any confusion out there.
Kagitaar/yoyopogo104/Ripe: While the yuuzhan vong are invisible to the force they are NOT completely immune to it. They cannot be sense through the force but they can be affected by it to a ,very limited, degree. Some examples are in the novels.
When anakin solo uses the force to push a group of yuuzhan warriors they only stumble a little bit and he thinks that if they were any other species they would have been hurles against the bulkhead of the space station they were on.
While on coruscant, jacen solo hurled force lightning at a group of yuuzhan vong warriors (and vergere). The lightning did hurt them it just could not accurately target them since they had no "anchor" in the force.
When a jedi strike team invaded a yuuzhan vong world ship to destroy the voxyn (a creature genetically shaped to hunt and kill jedi) queen. They rescued a few dark jedi. One of the dark jedi used a new force power to create an energy web that surrounded a yuuzhan vong and slowly cut them to pieces (literally).
The sith were originally a species (not yuuzhan vong) but as of the kotor games sith is a belief. Because sith is a belief the yuuzhan vong could never be sith. The sith beliefs run contrary to the yuuzhan vongs own fanatical beliefs.
Now having said all of that I would still love to see them in kotor3 (but I doubt I am that lucky).

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:01 pm

[QUOTE=kell]...Kagitaar/yoyopogo104/Ripe: While the yuuzhan vong are invisible to the force they are NOT completely immune to it. They cannot be sense through the force but they can be affected by it to a ,very limited, degree. Some examples are in the novels...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yoyopogo104]...i think force powers would be able to hurt them, unless they came up w/ some organic implants that shield them from such things, but one cannot use the force to sense them...[/QUOTE]

well, its nice to know more about the vong cause all i did was did some quick research, but where would one get these novels u're talkin about, kell (or what's the name of it, at least)?

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:45 pm

A book I borrowed from my cousin was one from the 'Young Jedi Knight' Series. Although I'm not sure, a quick google of yuzhan vong and star wars books should bring you to the right info on amazon or somewhere.

kell · Post by **kell** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:08 am

Npvels with the yuuzhan vong

You can find the yuuzhan vong in any of the star wars novels in the "NEW JEDI ORDER" series. I highly suggest reading them in order though as it is an absolutely huge plotline running through the books. Without a doubt the best sci-fi series I have ever read.
The books are as follows (in order)
Vector prime
Dark tide 1

nslaught
Dark tide 2:Ruin
Agents of chaos 1:Hero's trial
Agents of chaos 2:Jedi eclipse
Balance point
Recovery
Edge of victory 1:conquest
Edge of victory 2:Rebirth
Star by Star
Dark journey
Enemy lines 1:Rebel dream
Enemy lines 2:Rebel stand
Traitor
Destiny's way
Ylesia(an e novel originally, you may be able to find it published now)
Force heretic 1:Remnant
Force heretic 2:Refugee
Force heretic 3:Reunion
The final prophecy
The unifying force. (The final book in the yuuzhan vong series)

There have been 2 or 3 novels published since then but I have not read them yet so I don't know if the yuuzhan vong are in them.

The yuuzhan vong have also been featured in some of the star wars comic books. I have never read any of the young jedi knights or the x-wing series, so I don't know if there are any in those series.

The Z · Post by **The Z** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:53 pm

I don't want to put a damper to this but...

Don't you think that all the newer jedi (from the books) would have info about the Vong if there was a large scale war during the time of the Old, Old Republic? I haven't read the books, but most of the contact with the race is fairly new at that time, is it not?

Supposedly the first known Republic contact with the Vong around 32 years before Episode 4, according to [url="http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong"]Wookiepedia[/url], which is basically way too late in Star Wars history to have a KotOR 3; every character except the droids would be dead, KotOR takes place 4000 years before episode 4.

Canderous is possibly the only person in the given time frame that has encountered them. Basically, if you put the Vong into KotOR 3, it (the books) would seem a little awkward, seeing how the empire technically would have knowledge of the Vong's culture/battle tactics/technology if the Old Republic had a war with them.

Admittedly, the Yuuzhan Vong seem really interesting, but I'm not sure it they fit with the KotOR series. Now if they decided to make an FPS or RPG based around the war, that'd be pretty cool.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:43 pm

I think some of the ideas amy have been towards a breif encounter, or a some sort of possibility where the TS have a war with th Vohng, and hecome stronger because of their experience.

Also... has anyone noticed that the description of the Vohng sounds alot like the exile, they way that they are an empty spot in the force, like the exile... maybe they are a spawn of malachor as well...

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:27 pm

Z does have a point there. if the vong were to be included in the kotor series itd have to be a breif thing, probably as breif as canderous' encounter with them. perhaps a little longer...going to war with them and them having them go back to the unkown regions til 4000-or-so years latter does seem kinda odd, unless we think we've killed them all, but then the rest happen to come back for revenge...eh, too sticky 4 me.

one thing that we do know for sure is that they are the only species to have originated from the unkown regions, so there's really no way they could have came from malachor.

oh, btw, thanks for the list, kell.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:04 am

Go read through te wookiepedia link on the last page, it details the lhistory of the vong, and mentions canderous and his neomandalorians crusaders as the only ones who ever encountered them. I dont think it is feasible for them to come in.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:52 am

[QUOTE=kell]Kagitaar/yoyopogo104/Ripe: While the yuuzhan vong are invisible to the force they are NOT completely immune to it. They cannot be sense through the force but they can be affected by it to a ,very limited, degree. Some examples are in the novels.
When anakin solo uses the force to push a group of yuuzhan warriors they only stumble a little bit and he thinks that if they were any other species they would have been hurles against the bulkhead of the space station they were on.
While on coruscant, jacen solo hurled force lightning at a group of yuuzhan vong warriors (and vergere). The lightning did hurt them it just could not accurately target them since they had no "anchor" in the force.
When a jedi strike team invaded a yuuzhan vong world ship to destroy the voxyn (a creature genetically shaped to hunt and kill jedi) queen. They rescued a few dark jedi. One of the dark jedi used a new force power to create an energy web that surrounded a yuuzhan vong and slowly cut them to pieces (literally).[/QUOTE]
You're both correct and wrong in your statement.
First of all, Anakin and Jacen are hardly your regular everyday Jedis. After all they are Darth Vader's grandchildren so of course they could find a way. But as you pointed when Jacen used Lightning he had trouble targeting Yuuzhan Vong because they did not have "anchor" in the force.
Another good idea is Tahiri's: she used the force to compress air molecules around them which in turn started choking them and crushing them to death. That is pretty much the same as what Lomi Plo or Welk [Dark Jedis] did - they created energy web that cut through space where Yuuzhan Vong stand, effectively cutting YV to pieces (they affected empty space not YV).
Anakin was also able to sense YV in the force by searching for voids in the Force, realizing that those voids represent YV and their bio-technology.

So yes, you can use the force against Yuuzhan Vong (and use it effectively), but you have to do it in a roundabout way. You don't target them directly but indirectly by tadgeting place where they stand or items that suround them.

Darth_Juro · Post by **Darth_Juro** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:23 pm

[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]

Encountered the true sith? No, they have not. Where did you think Revan went... well, no one actually knows that for sure, except the developers... if there are any. So far, I have heard two things; The sith is not a species, it is a belief; and the Sith are a species responsible for the destruction of Ossus through the transference of being into other life forms, after they were destroyed from forces from Onderon.

QUOTE]

If you listened to Kreia and read the books you'd know that the True Sith were a species. They died out thousands of years ago. The Sith of now are more of followers of an ideal rather than a species.